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  1. #161
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    actually I am quite the opposite,
    I tried to play the Mass effect series of games, and the interactive choices really began to annoy me after a while. once I seen SWTOR was using the same system I gave up on it before I had even bought it. Now from reading peoples horror stories about Customer services and a lot of people simply cancaling there subs I am pretty glad I didnt buy it.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggan View Post
    I feel for your plight. Let me elaborate some more why it was a turn off though. I fully played through IA, SI, and BH stories, and warrior up to 30, as well as all the quests in the game without skipping through it. After the initial "This is cool! WoW doesn't have quests like this for my character!" mentality died off (about a couple weeks into the game), the whole thing got very dry and left a bitter taste in my mouth, which opened up the doors to the game's broken gameplay and other issues. After playing through all the quests in the game and some of the "best" class stories (arguably IA is the best in the game, and with several endings), it was all way too easily forgettable. A story should be remembered, but BW's storytelling in SWTOR at least was too much like some random comic-book series you picked up cause you liked the artwork or cause it has some hot chick on the covers with her rack popping out. Gameplay and all that aside, the story failed to grasp/immerse me and stay memorable - at times it even felt like some kind of patchwork. I'll admit there were a few "cool" moments sprinkled here and there, but that's in no way enough.

    The rest of you, the Bioware White Knight Brigade, need to calm down when others don't feel the same way as you. BW/EA being greedy bastards that pushed an unfinished game onto millions of people doesn't help either. Excuse me for having a conscience.

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    Yea that's understandable ... I can completely understand when someone feels this way as that particular way of storytelling just simply doesn't suit everyone ...

    I think something else is that you spent a couple/few weeks trying different classes and seeing different stories ... With a game like SWTOR the leveling is slower and since the story has to be doled out over 50 levels, elements of the story can feel like they're happening in Slo-Mo (Not to mention all the side quests you have to do inbetween) ... Whereas when you play a game like Mass Effect, or KOTOR or DA:O where it's purely singleplayer focused and there's just one main character storyline the story can move more quickly, and get to some of the more "Oh Shit" or extremely engaging moments early on or mid-game and it really builds up to it ... SWTOR you didn't feel that "Build Up" moment till the end of chapters which sometimes would feel like it was taking ffffooorrreeeevveerrr because of all the side quests and MMO travelling elements....

    Without side quests you can finish Mass Effect's Main Story in around 20hours .. Whereas 20hours in SWTOR can barely have you completed the First Act. And whilst you may think that's to quick (Mass Effect), it really produces an engaging and adrenaline pumped experience. Also provides great replay-ability through Paragon/Renegade decisions and other moments you may have overlooked.

    So like I said ... I don't think you can completely devalue Bioware games simply because of one MMO they've made ... They have a wide array of games that each play differently and have Great story experiences, whilst their styles are similar, the stories are still very different. On the hand of EA/Bioware using SWTOR/DLC just as Cash Cows ... That's a whole nother subject and TBH I've played all the ME2 DLC and they were all Awesome, definitely worth the money ... Everyone will feel different about it but as long as YOU BELIEVE the experience is worth what you paid, I have no problems with DLC ect.

  3. #163
    Which is exactly how I feel. I refuse to support a company that allows RMAH in one game, releases two raid patches in 1.5-2 years of an expansion (Cataclysm), and still charges 25 dollars for realm/faction transfer when other games do it for free.
    - Wow content patches are FREE.
    - Diablo 3 is FREE for Annual Pass subscribers.
    - Realm/faction changes cost money because it keeps people from arbitrarily causing population shifts on servers. It also safeguards against exploiting the economies of servers.


    Also, the main point of many people here, is that the gaming industry is becoming increasingly greedy as time goes on. Once upon a time you could buy a game, and it would come with free merchandise to help promote the game. Now, they want you to pay EXTRA just to get access to the full game, and they want you to BUY merchandise that is marked up at a crazy price. $3 mouse pad for $50? Really!?

    And yes, we all know that you don't HAVE to buy any of that stuff. The point is that once upon a time you didn't have to buy that stuff..... and you got it for FREE anyway. It really does amount to corporate greed, and the only cure is for consumers to stop throwing money at the problem.
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    Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

    Every time you have a question that begins with "Why?" that is about what other people prefer to do with their own goddamn time, come back here, and reread the first row of this post. That will ALWAYS be the answer to your question. Have a nice day.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    - Wow content patches are FREE.
    - Diablo 3 is FREE for Annual Pass subscribers.
    - Realm/faction changes cost money because it keeps people from arbitrarily causing population shifts on servers. It also safeguards against exploiting the economies of servers.


    Also, the main point of many people here, is that the gaming industry is becoming increasingly greedy as time goes on. Once upon a time you could buy a game, and it would come with free merchandise to help promote the game. Now, they want you to pay EXTRA just to get access to the full game, and they want you to BUY merchandise that is marked up at a crazy price. $3 mouse pad for $50? Really!?

    And yes, we all know that you don't HAVE to buy any of that stuff. The point is that once upon a time you didn't have to buy that stuff..... and you got it for FREE anyway. It really does amount to corporate greed, and the only cure is for consumers to stop throwing money at the problem.
    WoW content patches are not free when you pay a subscription, lol. And why am I supposed to care if D3 is free for annual passers?

    "Realm/faction changes cost money because it keeps people from arbitrarily causing population shifts on servers. It also safeguards against exploiting the economies of servers. "

    And this could easily be solved by caps on how many times you can do it, or a timeframe before you can do it again.
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    Bioware games has always been my favourite games, so I wanted to play SWTOR because 1. It's a Bioware game, 2. Only form for Kotor we're likely to get at this point, 3. It's Star Wars and an MMO coming out the same time I've gotten tired of WoW.

    Sadly Bioware continue to dissapoint me these days. Loved DA:O, DA:2 was absolutely horrible. And now SWTOR, a buggy game with a shitty engine and very bad PvP. I'm truly worried about Bioware and I hope they do not screw ME3 up, since it's probably my favourite franchise. I will probably not buy a Bioware game again after ME, maybe when it's in the bargain bin.

  6. #166
    SWTOR inspired me to play the Mass Effect series again, if only to remind myself that Bioware can actually make a good game. >.<

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    The whole nickle-and-dime tactic employed by unfortunately more and more developers has caused me to simply buy used games, pirate the dlcs, or borrow games from my friends (and lend games I buy to them). I actually spent less on games in the past 3 years (while playing more) then I did in the period before that. I will still buy new games from companies that I respect and that churn out good products (Witcher 2 was great, no securom, internet activation or other protection crap), sometimes I will even buy games I don't intend on immediately playing just to support companies (Total War Shogun 2).

    But I refuse to be treated like a cash cow. Oh I will find ways to play games without paying a dime to the developers/distributors - and I'm pretty sure most people that think like me do. I'd rather borrow, rent, pirate or buy used than be forced to fork out money for content that should've been in the game in the first place. If the companies want me to respect their work, they need to respect me too.

  8. #168
    Has SWTOR inspired you to try other Bioware products?
    No, the opposite. I gave SWTOR a shot because I really enjoyed other BW games. I'm really looking forward to ME3.

    That's also one of the reasons I was so disappointed in SWTOR.
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  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgrym View Post
    No, the opposite. I gave SWTOR a shot because I really enjoyed other BW games. I'm really looking forward to ME3.

    That's also one of the reasons I was so disappointed in SWTOR.
    I completely agree with this. ME3 can't come out soon enough (TWO MORE DAYS AMG!) and SWTOR... meh. I levelled to 49 in my free month of playing after a friend bought me the game, and cancelled my sub. It was ok for a couple of hours, but there's just something about it that really doesn't hook me in like wow did. Maybe it's too early in swtor and there's nothing that interests me (I joined wow around the time BT came out in BC, so there was plenty of stuff to do by then). But to me, SWTOR is a slight black mark on Bioware's record. Not enough to make me change my opinion about the company, but enough to make me wonder why they did things the way they did

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    Yes because pirating the game doesn't compromise your position one bit. Actually if im not mistaken even your demagogue had some choice words about those advocating piracy of the game in one of his viewer mail sessions.
    Piracy is the only powerful consumer tool we have today. I have pirated next to every game I've ever played, and only bought them if they lived up to my expectations. I've always bought BioWare games first though, ever since KOTOR, but the catastrophe that was Dragon Age 2 convinced me not to do so. Valve and Bethesda are the only game developers I still have respect for, and they are coincidentally the only game developers who produce AAA-quality games without nickle and dime-tactics, and they are not infested by the greed of Activision or EA.

    I'll pirate ME3 and the DLC, not give EA a nickle and enjoy the game to its fullest. Why? Who knows if ME3 turns out to be the same recycled crap that DA2 was, and this DLC-affair has really gone on my nerves.
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    WoW content patches are not free when you pay a subscription, lol. And why am I supposed to care if D3 is free for annual passers?
    Wait, you pay for your content patches? Most of us just pay for a subscription. D3 is free, why wouldn't you care about that?

    "Realm/faction changes cost money because it keeps people from arbitrarily causing population shifts on servers. It also safeguards against exploiting the economies of servers. "

    And this could easily be solved by caps on how many times you can do it, or a timeframe before you can do it again.
    Or they could just leave the system as it is?
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    Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

    Every time you have a question that begins with "Why?" that is about what other people prefer to do with their own goddamn time, come back here, and reread the first row of this post. That will ALWAYS be the answer to your question. Have a nice day.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Wait, you pay for your content patches? Most of us just pay for a subscription. D3 is free, why wouldn't you care about that?



    Or they could just leave the system as it is?
    So what do you think finances those content patches, genius? D3 is not free, you have to subscribe for 12 months to World of Warcraft and receive D3 in return, that's creative accounting.

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    So what do you think finances those content patches, genius? D3 is not free, you have to subscribe for 12 months to World of Warcraft and receive D3 in return, that's creative accounting.
    Creative accounting?

    So let's say I don't sign up for the annual pass, and I pay for 12 consecutive months of Wow anyway, since I enjoy the game and don't plan on taking any breaks. If I then want to get D3, I have to pay full price for it, just like everyone else who didn't get the annual pass.

    But if I sign up for the annual pass, knowing full well I am going to stay subbed to Wow over the next 12 months, then I get D3 for free. Does that make any sense to you?

    In one scenario, I am playing Wow as I normally would, and I have to pay for D3. In the next scenario, I am playing Wow as I normally would, and getting D3 without paying any money.

    Also, content patches are free. Expansions cost money. Wow sub costs money. While I am sure a portion of Wow sub fees go to pay for the development of game content, they do not increase during the period of time when new content comes out. Hence, the content is provided at no additional cost (free).
    Quote Originally Posted by Jevlin
    Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

    Every time you have a question that begins with "Why?" that is about what other people prefer to do with their own goddamn time, come back here, and reread the first row of this post. That will ALWAYS be the answer to your question. Have a nice day.

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    Mass Effect inspired my hopes in TOR. TOR has killed my hopes for future BW games. Then again, they do know how to make RPGs, just not MMOs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arog View Post
    No, in fact I am going to stay away from Bioware games due to SWTOR.
    Same here. SWTOR has made me much less willing to buy Bioware games.

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
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    And yes, we all know that you don't HAVE to buy any of that stuff. The point is that once upon a time you didn't have to buy that stuff..... and you got it for FREE anyway. It really does amount to corporate greed, and the only cure is for consumers to stop throwing money at the problem.
    Really? I don't recall a time when I got all that content free. It was usually built over time and sold as an expansion. I guess back in the day programmers didn't like to get paid? What a world the past was..

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    It's the other way around for me. Knowing and loving previous Bioware titles assured me that ToR wasen't going to be a waste of time and money. I'm not disappointed.
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  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by tehTyrant View Post
    People expect way too much out of a video game nowadays. Games don't need to brush your teeth, clean your room, bathe your dog, do your dishes and shine your shoes.
    actually... they do exact this. But the one thing they do not do anymore today... is to entertain me. FPS with 5 hours single player is just "rofl" but they do have lots of multiplayer bullshit in it none cares about actually. and ofc lots of DLC crap 2 months after release.

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    Really? I don't recall a time when I got all that content free. It was usually built over time and sold as an expansion. I guess back in the day programmers didn't like to get paid? What a world the past was..
    Nah, it's that once upon a time, Developers were just happy that you bought their games, so they gave you free stuff to show their appreciation, as they deposited truckloads of your money in the bank.

    Now days, they own bigger trucks so they want more of your money, they started charging for the free stuff. Back in the day, you buy a game for a console/PC, get a complete game with unlockable content via 'achievements' or codes, and maybe get a t shirt or a hat or a key chain or a peripheral device for free with the game.

    Not anymore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jevlin
    Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

    Every time you have a question that begins with "Why?" that is about what other people prefer to do with their own goddamn time, come back here, and reread the first row of this post. That will ALWAYS be the answer to your question. Have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Nah, it's that once upon a time, Developers were just happy that you bought their games, so they gave you free stuff to show their appreciation, as they deposited truckloads of your money in the bank.

    Now days, they own bigger trucks so they want more of your money, they started charging for the free stuff. Back in the day, you buy a game for a console/PC, get a complete game with unlockable content via 'achievements' or codes, and maybe get a t shirt or a hat or a key chain or a peripheral device for free with the game.

    Not anymore.
    I must have missed all those Blizzard expansions for their games that I bought.. they just came free in the mail once upon a time.

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