well i ran on low haste so that i get more dps do to DI :> i get 3k dps with DI @ ultraxion - me only doin 44,3k :< without 41,xk
btw 818 haste only.
Last edited by Arkets; 2012-03-04 at 12:31 PM.
Edit: This thread has an older version of kilee's actionlist. http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...kilee+spike+DI - make sure you're using the right one, there are several actionlists posted. OP's actionlist misses a few things, look on page 2 for kilee's.
kilee is pretty active here on MMO and also at H2P. She's posted her spikespam spriest T13H profile here on MMO in the past, but I don't know if it's changed since then. Basically I'm suggesting that you send a PM, I'm sure she'd be happy to send over all of her settings for another theorycrafter with presence in the community
As for fire mages i have very little idea. I do know that how quickly a potential DI target stacks feedback on the warlock greatly affects the warlock's opener. This effect is probably significantly different for different warlock specs. Uptime might also affect affliction more severely? But really that doesn't make a ton of sense since it's just a flat %dps boost. I do agree - from the warlocks i've spoken to aff seems the weak spec at the moment, but what do i know.
Anyway, i don't have any real input. Just hoped you'd coordinate with kilee since a lot of this work has already been done
Last edited by zakaluka; 2012-03-04 at 03:12 PM.
Thanks, I PMed kilee and got the right actionlist, and I've added it to my chart as a separate entry. I'm still not sure what to do about the boomkin one.
I could re-run the numbers with affliction to see if they come out differently- it may be that the DI uptime factors more into the warlock dps with affliction since they're more heavily dot oriented, and both feral and SV hunter have higher uptime than fire mages, so maybe that's the issue.
But really the main question for us hunters was figuring out where we should be in the pecking order, and I think we've confirmed that the current data places SV below the top 3 dot classes but above most others (we seem to be relatively tied with feral druids but definitely above ele shamans now). Interestingly, we are #1 for warlock dps, which makes us good for those selfish warlocks who are more interested in personal than raid dps.
If I'd known kilee had done this yesterday, I probably wouldn't have bothered running these numbers- I've been looking for updated data but I hadn't seen any, but I really don't follow shadow priest forums The warlock thread on DI hadn't been updated in forever.
Last edited by Zeherah; 2012-03-04 at 06:28 PM.
short answer? No
long answer? although there are other targets the benefit really applies to your specific raid comp. for example if there is not many other dot classes then yes a survival hunter can be DI. a lock should never DI another lock as half the buff is lost (doesn't benefit from its own haste) in that case if you are one of two dot classes you can be DI. also if you are significantly better in dps than any other dot class you can argue to get DI.
having said all that. hunters have 3 dots. one with near 100% uptime, one with about 50% uptime and another than varies uptime based on L&L procs. a spriest has 4 dots. 3 with near 100% uptime, 1 with 50-75% channeled uptime (mindflay counts as a dot for procing DI). boomkins have 3 dots with near 100% uptime. restro druids have multiple hots (uptimes vary based on fight and damage going out). holy priests have hots, and on a fight like ultraxion, a holy pally will keep it procc'd near 100% of the time. fire mages have multiple dots. rogues, feral druids, ele shams and warriros all have some dots (some as bleeds). even DK's have 2 dots with near 100% uptime and unholy have a third with 75%-100% uptime, although they benefit less from haste therefore they are a poor choice.
Hunters are not the worse choice for DI, but they are far from the best. a lock shouldn't DI a hunter unless there isn't and equally skilled spriest, boomkin, or fire mage
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DI gives a percentage of haste it's better in the hands of someone who highly values haste, you just proved that you obivouly don't. hunters gain a very small boost to dps from haste when compared to another class receiving it
Boomkins have 2 Dots. Moonfire and Sunfire are mutually exclusive.
Fire Mages have 4 Dots, one of which is on a cooldown (combustion), one of which is proc reliant (pyro), and one of which cannot crit (ignite).
Hunters' Serpent Sting has 100% uptime, Black Arrow has 70% uptime at worst, and Explosive Shot at its absolute worst is about 40% uptime(i.e. no LnL procs) but is actually around 60% or greater, depending on LnL.
This link shows the top-100 hunters' (from public logs) dps breakdown on Ultraxion 25h. The highest logged dps by a hunter is 48k. I'm sure there are of course plenty of guilds that don't share their logs publically, but ... I'm gonna need some proof to accept your claim.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
It's not quite as uncommon as you think, raidbots is far less reliable than simply... you know, checking logs.
With regards to the uptime question, in addition to the fact that SV hunters actually have a very large amount of dot uptime, you also have to keep in mind that for most caster specs crit is actually fairly low priority on their itemization, certainly for boomkins and ele shamans, can't speak to fire mages and shadow priests. For SV crit is our preferred secondary stat, and since we have to spend less of our itemization on hit than they do, we generally run fairly high on it relative to casters (plus we glyph for extra crit chance on explosive shot). So not only do we have a fairly high amount of dot uptime, but a high percentage of our dot ticks are crits. This is why we rank so highly in terms of damage provided to the warlock.
The main reason SV hunters aren't higher on total raid dps from DI is strictly based on the value of the 3% haste from the buff, which just doesn't benefit us nearly as much as casters and doesn't increase our dot ticks.
Last edited by Arkets; 2012-03-05 at 05:59 AM.
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