Treeston and I were playing a few on EUNE and he instantly noticed how bad the normals were on EUNE and I was like, "Bro, blind pick normals are meh and who even cares about them". He was astounded to see that they didn't follow meta game in the blind pick normals. I just told him it didn't really matter. Still funny how an EUW player was that amazed about it.
You've probably never heard of him.
The fuck, what kind of normals do you people play in? I have seen my share of bad players and self-countering, but it's been several months since a team lacked a jungler or lanes got picked completely wrong.
They do. Just not at '800 normal elo'. Check some of the featured streamed games if you wish to be convinced any further.
Crazy good opponents, or just people that shut down your friends really well?
It's mostly the latter. Most people with less experience don't know how to play defensively, they end up feeding them and the only way to win is to stall it until we can catch up and beat them.
It's easy to just check the profile of people you play against to find a rough estimate of your Normal ELO (Try to do it over a period of time though so you get actual samples). I tend to usually (There are always exceptions, though, matchmaking isn't perfect and consistent) play against people in 1600-1800 in Normals, and when I duo que with friend (80% of the time I play) it goes from 1700-2000ish due to ELO inflating a bit when you duo.
"They had a Karma and Evelynn so it didn't count"