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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallahadd View Post
    Do we actually KNOW any of the Captains ages? I mean the "Top Three" are all about 1000, Yama-ji probably older... But what do we know about the other captains?
    Ukitake, Shunsui, Yama ji and Unohana are over one thousand years, for sure. Though Unohana and Yama ji are probably TWO thousand years, maybe even more, I actually don't know but I'm pretty sure Yama is much older than Unohana.

    And Byakuya is probably close to 1k years I believe.

    Assuming we're talking about only captains, I'd say Toushiro is about what, 300 years or so? Maybe less? He is a genius after all and Shunsui said that Toushiro would surpass him in atleast 100 years from what I recall.

    Soi Fon(is this her name tbh? I actually don't remember. <-<), no idea either, probably 500 years old, maybe a bit more. The new captains(3rd, 5th and 9th divisions) are atleast more than one thousand years old, since they go way back till Kisuke was a captain.

    The 8th division has no captain I believe? It was Aizen and he's like one thousand years old too I believe, maybe a couple of hundred of years since he was just about a kid during the hollowfication experiment, maybe more, dunno.

    As for Korutsuchi, I'm pretty sure and confident that he's probably the same age as either Kisuke or pretty close to Unohana's.

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    Yeah I'd say that's all about right.

    And now you mention it.. the 8th is kind fucked isn't it no Captain OR VC... damn

    Kubo-san really needs to release some solid information on this subject... He does all these data books but he never puts in ages.... maybe they've stopped counting .
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    Shunsui. I have been dying to see what his bankai is ever since he fought against Stark and Ukitake warned him not to use it incase anyone saw it. So yea really curious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayp View Post
    Shunsui. I have been dying to see what his bankai is ever since he fought against Stark and Ukitake warned him not to use it incase anyone saw it. So yea really curious
    I really want to see Yuruichi's, hell, atleast her shikai lol. We haven't seen that yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    I really want to see Yuruichi's, hell, atleast her shikai lol. We haven't seen that yet.
    oh shit yea would be good. That being said i dont think ive ever seen her use a blade, shes always using (/prefering) hand to hand combat, even vs Aizen she used iron armored gloves and boots. Im thinking she doesnt have a zanpakuto, she did afterall inherit her position initialy in soul society, and the zanpakuto is given to recruits - by that id assume she doesnt have one (as much as id hate it).
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    She never used a blade yeah.

    And oh god, I never thought that, that she didn't had one, I hope she does. :S Would be lame if she didn't.

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    I think the reason zaraki can't use shikai/bankai is because of Unohana... that is probably her Sin... she did something to seal it I dunno but that's just the vibe I got from the last chapter

    I think he's been "cursed" with immortality at the cost of his shikai/bankai... as in every time he's on the brink of death instead of dying he just gets stronger and overcomes his foe eventually...

    at least that's what I gathered from the last page :P

    Anyway I really wanna see every1's bankai well those that we haven't seen yet like Kyoraku, ukitake, etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post

    Assuming we're talking about only captains, I'd say Toushiro is about what, 300 years or so? Maybe less? He is a genius after all and Shunsui said that Toushiro would surpass him in atleast 100 years from what I recall.
    Toushiro is about 150.
    Whenn you see him 100 years ago as a kid Momo mentions he is 50. Also rukia said at some time that even to he looks like a kid he is 10 times as old as ichigo that puts him around there aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    Doubt it. Dirty tricks isn't Zaraki's thing lol.

    I don't seen him, at all, using "cheap"/dirty tricks.
    Maybe he will after this fight? He has to do something with that empty hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reluctant View Post
    Toushiro is about 150.
    Whenn you see him 100 years ago as a kid Momo mentions he is 50. Also rukia said at some time that even to he looks like a kid he is 10 times as old as ichigo that puts him around there aswell.
    Excellent mathing , Also I was thinking about Yama-ji, he's been the Captain commander for 1000 years... so I'm willing to bet he's 1500+ at the very very least, plus Shunsui and Ukitake were his first two students so they're both 1000+ as well.

    Also with Yoruichi, I kinda like that she doesn't have a Zanpaktou, her Shunko is so freakin boss it MORE than makes up for a lack of a Zanpaktou.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jayp View Post
    Shunsui. I have been dying to see what his bankai is ever since he fought against Stark and Ukitake warned him not to use it incase anyone saw it. So yea really curious
    yay another Shunsui fan ! tbh I don't care what happens in the rest of the story, as long as we get to see Shunsui's Bankai before the end of Bleach I'll be happy.

    AS to Ukitake's Warning.. I still maintain that his Shikai's power is misunderstood. The kids game thing is actually a result of the power, not the power itself. His Shikai's REAL power is that it allows his blade to inforce it's will on anyone in the radius, the kids games come from the fact that his Zanpaktou likes to play games. His Bankai, being the logical progression, would allow Shunsui to directly impose his will on anyone in the radius.

    Or at least that's what I'd do... If I was Kubo.

    Also, interesting quote about Shunsui from the Bleach Wiki: While Shunsui is his first name and Kyōraku is his last name, his full name is Shunsui Sōzōsa Kyōraku no Jirō. Kyōraku no Jirou means "second son of the Kyōraku family" whilst Sōzōsa means "assistant who conceals all" or "assistant who possesses all."

    Now the "Kyoraku no Jiro part is fairly unimportant. What interests me is Sozozsa and it's meanings
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    We all know Kenny HATES fighting with 2 hands. What happens if his sword when unleashed becomes a 2 handed sword. Because we seen just HOW much stronger he gets with 2 hands on his sword. Seems like a reach but just seems to me he is holding back for SOME reason..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallahadd View Post
    yay another Shunsui fan ! tbh I don't care what happens in the rest of the story, as long as we get to see Shunsui's Bankai before the end of Bleach I'll be happy.

    AS to Ukitake's Warning.. I still maintain that his Shikai's power is misunderstood. The kids game thing is actually a result of the power, not the power itself. His Shikai's REAL power is that it allows his blade to inforce it's will on anyone in the radius, the kids games come from the fact that his Zanpaktou likes to play games. His Bankai, being the logical progression, would allow Shunsui to directly impose his will on anyone in the radius.

    Or at least that's what I'd do... If I was Kubo.

    Also, interesting quote about Shunsui from the Bleach Wiki: While Shunsui is his first name and Kyōraku is his last name, his full name is Shunsui Sōzōsa Kyōraku no Jirō. Kyōraku no Jirou means "second son of the Kyōraku family" whilst Sōzōsa means "assistant who conceals all" or "assistant who possesses all."

    Now the "Kyoraku no Jiro part is fairly unimportant. What interests me is Sozozsa and it's meanings
    Mother of holy shit! I never thought about his Shikai being like that. It always was a bit weird to me, but now i read what you said it makes complete sense how his shikai works.
    So his Bankai would be like a possession? Wouldn't that be like, you know, Aizen? Hypno without knowing. See stuff that isn't real.

    Maybe it's more that, like you say, 'force it's will' onto people, but that Shunsui can make the 'rules'. Or even better/worse, his Bankai does (just like in Shikai, he too has to follow what his shikai wants).
    So far Shunsui's Zanpaktou seems to be a 'living' one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallahadd View Post
    Excellent mathing , Also I was thinking about Yama-ji, he's been the Captain commander for 1000 years... so I'm willing to bet he's 1500+ at the very very least, plus Shunsui and Ukitake were his first two students so they're both 1000+ as well.

    Also with Yoruichi, I kinda like that she doesn't have a Zanpaktou, her Shunko is so freakin boss it MORE than makes up for a lack of a Zanpaktou.
    I'm curious just how EXACTLY people age in Soul Society.
    1000 years ago, Yama-ji looked to be roughly in his early 40s, imo. In the 1000 years since then, he looks to have only aged, I don't know, let's say 25 years? So he looks about 65 but is still more than capable in terms of fighting.
    But, you then take Byakuya, who 110 years ago looked to be in his early teens (I forget if it actually mentioned his age) and in that 110, he looks to have aged about 10 years, making him mid-20s, imo.

    It just doesn't see consistent to me lol Or, maybe I'm just talking nonsense. That happens quite often

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallahadd View Post
    yay another Shunsui fan ! tbh I don't care what happens in the rest of the story, as long as we get to see Shunsui's Bankai before the end of Bleach I'll be happy.

    AS to Ukitake's Warning.. I still maintain that his Shikai's power is misunderstood. The kids game thing is actually a result of the power, not the power itself. His Shikai's REAL power is that it allows his blade to inforce it's will on anyone in the radius, the kids games come from the fact that his Zanpaktou likes to play games. His Bankai, being the logical progression, would allow Shunsui to directly impose his will on anyone in the radius.

    Or at least that's what I'd do... If I was Kubo.

    Also, interesting quote about Shunsui from the Bleach Wiki: While Shunsui is his first name and Kyōraku is his last name, his full name is Shunsui Sōzōsa Kyōraku no Jirō. Kyōraku no Jirou means "second son of the Kyōraku family" whilst Sōzōsa means "assistant who conceals all" or "assistant who possesses all."

    Now the "Kyoraku no Jiro part is fairly unimportant. What interests me is Sozozsa and it's meanings
    What would that make his bankai then? Straight up mind control? Or would it be more like altering reality to suit his will?

    I'm glad you mentioned his full name because that has been bugging me for so long ^^
    We know he is a member of a noble family, as is Ukitake iirc, but "assistant who conceals/possesses all" intrigues me to this day.
    Perhaps it could be both? It could somehow relate to his bankai too.
    If he can conceal all, and his bankai does involve changing reality ,or something similar, he would basically be concealing the true reality, no?
    And if he possesses all, maybe that links with something like mind control, him actually taking possession of people and there will?

    Again, I could be totally off base but then, that's what speculation is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    Maybe it's more that, like you say, 'force it's will' onto people, but that Shunsui can make the 'rules'. Or even better/worse, his Bankai does (just like in Shikai, he too has to follow what his shikai wants).
    So far Shunsui's Zanpaktou seems to be a 'living' one.
    Maybe his bankai is just his shikai but with him in full control of the rules and him not being affected by it?

    Or, it could be a giant theme park with insane rules on the rides lol

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    haha glad to see y'all like my theory .

    Basically his Bankai would allow him to "Control" reality. It wouldn't be anything like Aizen, it would be more.... Mindfucking. For instance he could let the enemy hit him, and then at the last second decide that in "his" world, when you hit someone, YOU take the damage, instead of the person you hit. Or he could decide that you can only hurt someone if you strike certain parts of the body... just generally anything that would throw people concentration off.

    That's why Ukitake didn't want him using it during the Winter War, it would have drawn ALL the other fights into his power and the other Shinigami could have been hurt, because they wouldn't have known the "rules"

    The aging thing is wierd.. I get the feeling it's more or less 5 to 1. In the 100 years since Turn Back the Pendulum everyone seems to have aged ~20 years. Of course this doesn't explain how Yama-ji and the big three could be 1000+ and not be dead . Maybe you can stop your ageing when you feel like it or something...

    As for King Shunsui and his crazy name...

    I think the release of this info now, when the possibility of Bankai is high... It MUST be intentional, this is part of why I think my theory on his Bankai could be true. he's the "Servant who possesses all" because while his Zanpaktou is technically in charge, he's the one that controls what happens within the sphere of it's influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallahadd View Post
    haha glad to see y'all like my theory .

    Basically his Bankai would allow him to "Control" reality. It wouldn't be anything like Aizen, it would be more.... Mindfucking. For instance he could let the enemy hit him, and then at the last second decide that in "his" world, when you hit someone, YOU take the damage, instead of the person you hit. Or he could decide that you can only hurt someone if you strike certain parts of the body... just generally anything that would throw people concentration off.

    That's why Ukitake didn't want him using it during the Winter War, it would have drawn ALL the other fights into his power and the other Shinigami could have been hurt, because they wouldn't have known the "rules"

    The aging thing is wierd.. I get the feeling it's more or less 5 to 1. In the 100 years since Turn Back the Pendulum everyone seems to have aged ~20 years. Of course this doesn't explain how Yama-ji and the big three could be 1000+ and not be dead . Maybe you can stop your ageing when you feel like it or something...

    As for King Shunsui and his crazy name...

    I think the release of this info now, when the possibility of Bankai is high... It MUST be intentional, this is part of why I think my theory on his Bankai could be true. he's the "Servant who possesses all" because while his Zanpaktou is technically in charge, he's the one that controls what happens within the sphere of it's influence.
    Reality control and mind fuck seem too much like Aizen. "Oh i am here, HAHA i am NOT! You just stabbed your ally!"
    But,
    Or he could decide that you can only hurt someone if you strike certain parts of the body... just generally anything that would throw people concentration off.
    This, is actually quite interesting. It's like Irooni (the color one). It still has the rules that everybody in range has to obey.

    "Assistant who conceals all" or "assistant who possesses all."
    He is the 'master' and Katen Kyōkotsu is the assistant who possesses all, including Shinsui. But only when 'she' wants to 'play'. I guess in bankai it's the other way around.
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    I got a feeling that Shinsui has a hard time controlling his bankai as in he has to be the one that calls out the game they are playing and try to keep it focused. If he doesn't his bankai might attack his friends, not out of spite but because it recognizes everything as a potential "play mate".

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    Going against popular choice. I don't think his bankai will be about games whatsoever.

    He is the only one to ever have dual zanpaktou ( ukitake has one that splits up )
    He also has 2 seperate activations. Flower Wind Rage and Flower God Roar, Heavenly Wind Rage and Heavenly Demon Sneer

    Going by the zanpaktou arc it also has 2 different spirits, A small girl wo likes sadistic games and a middle aged more serieus woman ( wo also happens to have the same eyepatch shinsou has now )

    His Shikai seems to be exclusifly the childs powers making me Think the bankai will use the others power or use both of themm and be totaly different from annything seen before.

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    That's actually a very good point Reluctant... Would be pretty epic if his Bankai was something totally different. The question then becomes... WHAT would the power be?
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    Didn't most shikai's>bankai's be like, close to each other?

    Byakuya, from lots of 'blades' to even more 'blades' and a few extra ability's. Toshiro goes from controlling ice to well, controlling water/ice/weather.
    Yamamoto goes from badass flames to burning the whole area with his reiatsu, and yet again some extra ability's.

    So i guess Shinsui will still have 'games' and set rules everybody in his area need to deal with.
    The 'spirits' of Katen Kyôkotsu show more his own personality rather then something they developped. But they still have their own 'will'.
    Lazy when possible and like a drink. Slightly childish by mocking/taunting his opponent, but serious when it's needed.
    They like to torture him (they do not want to 'play'/fight), and when they want to 'play' he has to obey their rules too. Upside is that he knows their 'rules'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    Didn't most shikai's>bankai's be like, close to each other?

    Byakuya, from lots of 'blades' to even more 'blades' and a few extra ability's. Toshiro goes from controlling ice to well, controlling water/ice/weather.
    Yamamoto goes from badass flames to burning the whole area with his reiatsu, and yet again some extra ability's.
    Soifon's went from a stinger she had on her finger into a missile launcher.

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