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    Wow... That could possible be true. BUT! Didn't the previous captain/Kenpachi already have a bankai?

    But let's say they can indeed pass it on, how? Don't you just "hear it or you don't"?
    I like the theorie, but i think it's more that because he surpressed his real power he couldn't hear it. It COULD explain why he just got it now and why Unohana's bankai isn't explained.
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    she DOES say she's giving him "Her Whole legacy" LEGACY, not title....

    I would be pretty happy if Zaraki got a Shikai/bankai.... but only because Unohana GAVE him one, not because he's actually GOT one himself. Then any victory he gains with it is REALLY Unohana's victory, not his
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    Zaraki with a simple Shikai alone. does the word "OP" come to anyone? Damn, he'll be able to wipe out the Quincy alone.

    Tho, I dislike Ichigo having to "go back to his roots". I sense a 20 chapter long "mommy? daddy?" mini-arc. I hate those.
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    Zaraki has always had shikai. His zanpaktou is in permanent release state same as with ichigo.

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    Agreeing with above, Zaraki has always had a shikai as long as we have known him. Cant remember the chapter but i recall either Zangetsu or similar mentioning that Zaraki's Zanpaktou was screaming under his pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuuralihn View Post
    Zaraki with a simple Shikai alone. does the word "OP" come to anyone? Damn, he'll be able to wipe out the Quincy alone.

    Tho, I dislike Ichigo having to "go back to his roots". I sense a 20 chapter long "mommy? daddy?" mini-arc. I hate those.
    I think you missunderstood, hes not going back to childhood but to be a powerless human (again) and has to work himself up(again)

    As for Ichigo losing to Renji, i think Renji actually got help and Ichigo didn't, we do not know what actually happened inside the dark. So Ichigo passed the test with just "survive"
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    Renji passed the test because the Asauchi accepted Renji but not Ichigo, that's why Ichigo didn't pass the test and is being forced now to find his roots.

    That's what I got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pious Lemon View Post
    Agreeing with above, Zaraki has always had a shikai as long as we have known him. Cant remember the chapter but i recall either Zangetsu or similar mentioning that Zaraki's Zanpaktou was screaming under his pressure.
    Was in the first Ichigo-Zaraki battle, when Ichigo learned bankai. But Zaraki didn't hear it.

    What i think with Unohana's "Legacy" is more the title AND what is bound with it; strongest of their generation. He is now OFFICIAL the strongest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    Was in the first Ichigo-Zaraki battle, when Ichigo learned bankai. But Zaraki didn't hear it.

    What i think with Unohana's "Legacy" is more the title AND what is bound with it; strongest of their generation. He is now OFFICIAL the strongest.
    Ichigo did not learn bankai that fight he learned it afterwards thanks to uruhara's special training. Zaraki was pathetic enough to beat with yust shikai.

    I don't think it means the strongest because thenn it would have been yamamoto.

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    I don't know Yamamoto was strong but his strength was tempered. Zaraki has a lot of brute and unfocused power, and potentially a Reiatsu stronger than Ichigos. We'll have to see though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darksoldierr View Post
    As for Ichigo losing to Renji, i think Renji actually got help and Ichigo didn't, we do not know what actually happened inside the dark. So Ichigo passed the test with just "survive"
    Ichigo didn't lose to Renji, they were both taking the same test at the same time, but it wasn't competative (well... okay EVERYTHING is competative between those two, but this time not directly ).

    Renji "passed" because the Asauchi accepted him, I get the feeling this is something "Zanpaktou Lore" based, not a simple test of strength... maybe more like, partnership. Ichigo has never really let himself go, and worked totally with Zangetsu(the only time he came close was in the fight with Zaraki, but even then it was only as a total last resort and only temporarily), he's always been on a "I must save everyone, all by myself!" kick and has never TRUELY seen Zangetsu as a partner. I'm guessing this is different for Renji, who has always tried to make himself AND ZABIMARU better, so that he could take on Byakuya and that's why the Asauchi have allowed him a new zanpaktou/fixed Zabimaru, whereas Ichigo still stubbornly tried to fight all on his own and this was overwhelmed and beaten.

    queue a mini "Training Montage" arc with Ichigo trying to get his shit back together, then in the end it'll be something stupid, like a Heartfelt speech from either his Dad or Orihime and he'll suddenly understand, get a sword that can turn into a Quincy bow and go kick some ass, as always .
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    Aye, thanks for the explonation, you are right, i did mistaken that part
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    What i think with Unohana's "Legacy" is more the title AND what is bound with it; strongest of their generation. He is now OFFICIAL the strongest.
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    I don't think it means the strongest because then it would have been yamamoto.
    Unohana simply dropped her zanpakutou. She was falling backwards and on her way into death so it basically just slipped from her hands. The "legacy" she passed on was him being officially the current Kenpachi (basically all Kenpachi after Unohana haven't been 'official' Kenpachi because she was still alive) and being this powerful monster that seeks out opponents that might be able to stand up to you. Unohana's life was spent seeking opponents out just for the thrill of combat. Now Zaraki is the only one that will do that. He literally lives for the fight and adrenaline rush.

    The Kenpachi title doesn't go to the strongest fighter. IIRC, it means something like having killed the most people with your blade. And let's face it, when Unohana first met Zaraki, he was sat on a mountain of bodies lol

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    Boring chapter, and the cliff hanger was something I think everyone already figured out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoma View Post
    Boring chapter, and the cliff hanger was something I think everyone already figured out.
    I didn't find it boring for one reason: the story telling.

    Kubo's writing has ampted up 10 fold between this arc and the Fullbringer one.

    And it's nice to see more questions being answered than raised.

    So, we have confirmation of a few things:

    1. Ichigo isn't a Shinigami nor Human.

    2. Isshin was a Captain.

    3. Masaki was a Quincy.

    Although these 3 were obvious, it's nice for confirmation, and the fact that Isshin is starting such a tale means next week, and probably the week after, more questions will be answered.

    I'm hoping Juha Bach's background might be explored a bit more as well, along with Isshin and Ryuusei's relationship.

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    Found it a decent chapter, quite a few confirmations as said. Even if the ending was kinda "duh". Interested to see how his mom was a healer, since thus far I don't recall seeing any Quincy healing abilities.

    So Ichigo is confirmed to be a human/shinigami/quincy hybrid, as expected. I wonder if and how that may affect his reiatsu, and control of it. The Quincy seem to focus on the use of bursts of it mainly with their arrows and trap setups, whereas the Shinigami have a multitude of ways of using it to fight; anything from illusions to pure brute strength enhancement.
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    Nothing new this chapter everyone saw it from a mile away. Also i don't really get the point of spending half the chapter with ikumi it really felt out of place.

    Next chapter might be good as he starts explaining stuff.

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    My god! HUGE spoiler! His mother IS a quincy! Add this for increased effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    I'm hoping Juha Bach's background might be explored a bit more as well, along with Isshin and Ryuusei's relationship.
    Juha Bach will be something like a uncle/friend of his mom and Isshin was probably friends with him.


    Can't we go back to Renji or something, or even 17+ pages of a dead Unohana on the ground...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reluctant View Post
    Nothing new this chapter everyone saw it from a mile away. Also i don't really get the point of spending half the chapter with ikumi it really felt out of place.

    Next chapter might be good as he starts explaining stuff.
    I think it was more about Ichigo not really wanting to see his dad and Ikumi is still fairly new in the Bleach world so she may be being set up as something in the future.

    I guess all we really got this chapter was confirmation of back story. Which I actually like! We knew Isshin would have been a captain and Masaki a Quincy but, we had no idea she would have been a healer and that she seems to be VERY strong if she defeated something Isshin nearly got killed by (possibly). It's also interesting that Isshin seems to have taken her last name rather than her taking his. But I guess one of them had to do something for them to be together, him living in the human world and changing at least his surname makes sense.

    Since Masaki couldn't defend herself, I want to know what forced her to use the Quincy glove thing, the one that gives you a massive buff but strips your powers afterwards. I forget it's name. It's the only way I can think of for her to not have any abilities to deal with Grand Fisher. Who would have been nothing but a fly to her it seems now. Though it may not have been a glove in her time.

    I'm betting Juha Bach is also family. I can already just see it playing out that way lol
    He knew all about Ichigo and the reason he couldn't seal Ichigo's bankai (iirc) was because they didn't know exactly what it could do. Does that mean when he learns all about his Quincy side, he'll have something else? Like the way we expected it to change when he got a new Bankai? OR! Is he going to end up using a mix of Quincy and Shinigami abilities?

    Just a thought, what if he seeks out Juha Bach and co. for more info about his mother, her family and general Quincy powers and so on but, then he wants to fight for their side or something. Turning on SS and helping lead the fight against them! Final battle being Ichigo and the newly revamped Kenpachi lol Yeah... so maybe that won't happen ^_^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    Can't we go back to Renji or something, or even 17+ pages of a dead Unohana on the ground...
    lol Not one for back story and answers to questions people have had for aaaaaaages then? xD

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    I just want the action right now It was already clear that Ichigo's mom was a Quincy the moment Juha struck him down.
    I want to know Zaraki's shikai power, Unohana's Bankai power, i wanna see the unused Bankai's >.<


    It could be more then possible that he goes and visit Juha, or atleast tries to. But then again, that would be too much of a Vizard copy...
    I want to see the "shadow realm" Juha lives in, and it would be pretty cool if Ichigo joined "the bad side". But he's the main character, how big are the chances?
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