(Provided that you don't attack first, and in some cases you can attack first if you feel your life is in danger)
I never said that Florida shouldn't have a self-defense law, it just needs tweaking.
Last edited by Purlina; 2012-03-21 at 01:51 PM.
Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population:
This is despite still retaining that well-known deterrent capital punishment in several states (/sarcasm). There's really no debate to be had. The "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is totally bogus. If I encounter some nutter on a Saturday night, or some vigilante that decides I look suspicious, the worst I can expect is to get knifed, and guess what? You can't knife me if I'm running away from you or more than about 4 feet away from you.
The only people who ever get shot in the UK is 'disrespected' gang members trying to emulate their cousins in south central LA.
Last edited by Daedelus; 2012-03-21 at 02:03 PM.
No sane person would use this law to kill someone. To get away with (planned and inevitable) murder? - maybe.
Insane person does not need no legal "enabler" nor a way to get away with the murder.
You could make a point that some murderers would theoretically be able to get away with murder - but it still worth it. Better let a criminal go, than send an innocent to jail.
Well I could walk up to some random dude and start a fist fight.
Then, when he starts beating me up, I pull out my gun and shoot him in self-defence.
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If they on the other hand knew they would probably have to serve time in jail for killing the person, they would automatically start thinking of other ways of getting out of problematic situations, then going straight to the option of going for lethal actions.
You might argue that you yourself is not like that, but then you are just ignoring how the general human nature is.
Guns may make murder easier but they are not the reason or the cause.
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It is very hard for an average sane human to kill another human. People need training to do it easily (military/police) or experience (accidental kills, real self-defense kills) or real hatred or big incentive.
Do not pretend to be macho man here. In a real situation you won't make the kill THAT easily as you think, unless you are military with experience.
People do not generally kill people NOT because there's a law against murder. Not because there's a god commandment "thou shalt not kill". But because it's not that easy to take life of another human being. For a sane person that is.
People can use self-defense to get away with murder, not to commit it. Big difference.
Criminals may plan murder around self-defense too, though. But it doesn't matter, murder would happen anyway. And as I said it worth it. Better to let 1 criminal go than condemn 1 innocent.
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I said it before - I say it again - worth it. Now REASON for doing so is relevant. Right?
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Last edited by Purlina; 2012-03-21 at 02:59 PM.
If someone with just his fists wants to kill me, he'd have a tough time. Since I have fists too, I could fight back and stand my ground. Alternatively - if I was afraid of fighting because he's something like a 250 pound boxer, then I could run. His fists can't reach past 2 feet. A fist fight offers lots of options for defence and retreat. Also, killing someone with your fists might take some time, and requires significant physical effort (usually). That time and effort can provide the means for the assailant's emotions to cool down and realize that no - in fact they do NOT want to kill this other person who insulted their mother, and no, they do not want to spend the next 10 years in jail. At the very least, that time can allow others to interview and break the fight up.
Knives are slightly more effective, but suffer from some of the same limitations. You can easily out-run a knife. If someone with a knife wants to kill me, I could just run away, and they'd never be able to stab me with it. Also, dying from a stab wound requires being stabbed in certain areas - this is difficult to accomplish if I'm fighting back and defending myself. It also requires time and physical exertion to stab someone to death, that time may provide enough opportunity to cool-down, or for others to intervene.
You need a certain amount of passionate rage and effort to kill someone with your fists or a knife. You also need proximity.
A gun, can be shot at a distance, and a big gun fired repeatedly into someone's body will stop anyone. The chances of dying to a single bullet to the chest or head is significantly higher than the chances of dying to a punch to the chest or head. Also, you can't outrun a bullet.
60 seconds of rage + your bare fists = both parties probably still alive
60 seconds of rage + a gun = someone could easily be dead
I'm sure if you hired a hit-man to kill someone, they'd be able to do it without guns, knives, or fists. Which seems to be the analogy you're making. But most kills aren't premeditated to that degree... many people die to gunshots in the heat of the moment and are motivated by short-term emotions.
Me? No. I'm sure some people would though.You could do that - but would you? Just because you could?