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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    gated community, perhaps he knew a good bit of his neighbors. Either way, there'd be a string of burglaries in the area and he didn't run up and tackle the guy, he called the police so they could investigate. Martin saw him stop, saw him on the phone, then left the scene in a hurry.
    From my understanding, Martin didn't live there, he was just "visiting his dad" (i.e. had to go somewhere while he was suspended from school)

    That, however also means that the whole "he's looking around" thing likely meant he wasn't sure where dad's house was in the raining darkness.
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    Who wants to bet Zimmerman won't even get to trial?

    The aol news section has article claiming Zimmerman case won't be taken by grand jury (the people who decide whether there are enough evidence to prosecute someone), but instead will be taken by District Attorney (the office is very political). If the case went to trial, all the facts of the case would become public, since its not going through grand jury, if zimmerman is not prosecuted, the most likely answer we will get from the District Attorney will be there were not enough facts to prosecute. Zimmerman's innocence won't be proven by the courts or the facts but the word of a person in political office. How the hell our system became this way?

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    Not even close to enough evidence to convict Zimmerman. It is the duty of the state to provide evidence that shows beyond a reasonable doubt that their accusation is correct. And there is not enough evidence to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt.
    "Death is not kind. It's dark, black as far as you can see, and you're all alone."

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    -they have zimmerman's report
    -they have his 9-11 calls
    -they have a second (more like the 23rd lol) 9-11 call from a neighbor
    -that second call has a word heard, "help," that CNN claims to not be zimmerman... but no proof that it is/is not Martin either (so that data is inconclusive by default)
    -they have state laws

    thats basically it...

    -they do not have any hard data on martin
    -they do not know the reason of him being there (except that he was suppose to be somewhere else... according to his daddy)
    -they do not have martin's voice to analyze
    -they do not have enough data period

    This will not go to trial, and I hate that for the family but there is no case here. People still want zimmerman's blood and retribution and that alone is making it worse than what it is.

    To make matters worse, first you have the NAACP playing reverse-roleplay with torches and pitchforks rallying in Florida demanding the head of Zimmerman and now you have black people assaulting white people, like that elderly man who was brutally beaten by 2 black teenagers here recently. If we want to stop racsim, this BS here needs to stop.

    my worst fear is that there will be no trial, and that zimmerman will be murdered. I don't want that. "We" americans don't need that.
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    I agree. There just isn't a strong enough case to convict Zimmerman, despite how anyone may feel about it.

    Way too many questions and way too many uncertainties. In a court of law, there are no assumptions and what-ifs, just cold hard evidence.

    Sadly, I don't think anyone will every know what truly happened.

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    http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/ for anyone who want's to donate to help this guy out since he has to live in fear for his life, had to quit his job, and is probably going to have more than 1 lawsuit (criminal or civil) against him in the future because he was defending himself against an assailant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/ for anyone who want's to donate to help this guy out since he has to live in fear for his life, had to quit his job, and is probably going to have more than 1 lawsuit (criminal or civil) against him in the future because he was defending himself against an assailant.
    I would proly send some money to Z-man, No real way to know if that is legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/ for anyone who want's to donate to help this guy out since he has to live in fear for his life, had to quit his job, and is probably going to have more than 1 lawsuit (criminal or civil) against him in the future because he was defending himself against an assailant.
    Under Florida law Martins parents have no right to sue him. Since the police have determined it to be a justifiable homicide, under Florida law he is immune to civil lawsuits stemming from it.

    Also the only reason you go to a Grand Jury is if you feel there is enough and want to see what they think. The fact that it was called if says one of two things:

    1. They want to get more evidence (which at this point there isn't going to be anymore)

    2. The prosecutor (who would be at least the second to look at this case) knows that there isn't enough to even get to trial and is just going to close the case.

    Personally I think that number two is what's going on here. At the end of the day he is protected under Florida law. They can chant, rant, riot all they want. Nothing they do will have Zimmerman behind bars.

    END OF STORY.

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    Really... REALLY?

    How bout America move into the 21st century and start changing some of their middleage control laws. America is a joke of a nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybreed View Post
    Really... REALLY?

    How bout America move into the 21st century and start changing some of their middleage control laws. America is a joke of a nation.
    Where do you live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    Where do you live?
    Denmark...

    Unintentional troll is best troll ?? ;O I bet moderator was american. (oh no he didn't !!)

    If you have an issue with moderation, PM Sunshine or Boubouille, do not discuss it in public.


    Moderation teams remind me of the MPIAA. You can't take sarcasm now? honestly. I know this whole topic regarding the young black kid who got shot by a white man is a sensitive subject and all, and i'am in no way in a position to turn such a important case into a trolling fest.

    There was no trolling intended, if it was trolling fine. I'll take the infraction on the chin. I meant what I said, and in the manner I said it. I could fine COUNTLESS reports from experts contradicting claims of increased security when it comes to guns, and the endless jibber jabber which is associated with gun control laws. The reference to being middleaged was a view on the American constitution, and the 2nd amendment which people advocate to be a justified claim, I fine the 2nd amendment to be completely and utterly OUT OF ITS TIME. (hence middleaged - you get it now??)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybreed View Post
    *snippity snip*
    Be prepared to hear that since you're Danish, that you don't know about "black stuff" from white Americans, despite the fact that too many are just as ignorant. Which has been demonstrated in this thread, numerous times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybreed View Post
    Denmark...

    Unintentional troll is best troll ?? ;O I bet moderator was american. (oh no he didn't !!)

    If you have an issue with moderation, PM Sunshine or Boubouille, do not discuss it in public.


    Moderation teams remind me of the MPIAA. You can't take sarcasm now? honestly. I know this whole topic regarding the young black kid who got shot by a white man is a sensitive subject and all, and i'am in no way in a position to turn such a important case into a trolling fest.

    There was no trolling intended, if it was trolling fine. I'll take the infraction on the chin. I meant what I said, and in the manner I said it. I could fine COUNTLESS reports from experts contradicting claims of increased security when it comes to guns, and the endless jibber jabber which is associated with gun control laws. The reference to being middleaged was a view on the American constitution, and the 2nd amendment which people advocate to be a justified claim, I fine the 2nd amendment to be completely and utterly OUT OF ITS TIME. (hence middleaged - you get it now??)
    You aren't really that good in history are you? Well I am not sure there is any point in discussion with someone who thinks middle ages extended to the end of 18th century, but I will try.

    There also are countless reports suggesting that relaxing gun control have reduced crime rate (for example check Texas after concealed carry was allowed). Fact is there is no casual relationship between gun laws (Switzerland with Assault rifle in most homes having lower crime rate than GB with absolutely no guns for example) and crime rate. Other factors are much more important than avaiability of guns to law abiding citizens, such as economic situation, ethical cohesion, social situation, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    This law abiding person doesn't consider taking your guns away to be a punishment.
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    Done. Now stop talking to me. Let the ban come now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isotope View Post
    Under Florida law Martins parents have no right to sue him. Since the police have determined it to be a justifiable homicide, under Florida law he is immune to civil lawsuits stemming from it.
    I don't know if what you are saying is that can't sue him for anything (which I doubt you are) but you know how people are. They'll sue saying you caused them PTSD or depression or you killing their son causes them to wake up nightly, etc.

    At the end of the day, if people read my comments they'll see that I'm a little more supportive to zimmerman than martin but everything he's said jives with the law to me, so yea, people have their own opinions.

    I do think that a.) living with the image of a person you just shot for the rest of your life, b.) probably not really being able to hold a job for awhile since alot of employers won't really like the attention they'll be getting, c.) having things thrown at you, your car, your house/apt and d.) just a general fear of your life for killing a black person (yea I said it, it's true there's already been a ton of racist things happen at the hands of blacks "for trayvon" to random people let alone the actual guy who killed him, will be alot more "harm" to him than sitting in a jail for X amount of years.

    Oh, and according to CNN the site is "legit" but of course you never know. The thing I find great in everything that I've seen for "images" on this whole story I've never once seen things for "zimmerman" like "justice for zimmerman" "long live zimmerman", etc. It's nice to see there is people who do support him out there instead of 1 side stories always about martin.
    Last edited by alturic; 2012-04-10 at 01:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    The law states Zimmerman was legally able to use a gun on someone who's causing him "great bodily harm" or "imminent death".
    Correct, but what about a situation that is created by the shooter.

    1) behave in a way that makes your target fearful provoking them to run - check
    2) pursue and intercept them - check
    3) stand your ground - check
    4) shoot in "self defense" - check
    5) premeditated murder completed - check

    I'm not saying this was zimmermans intent, but it is a blueprint for the future and why this case need to be brought to trial and the law reexamined/overhauled

    The family of trayvon is most likely to sue the homeowners association. way more money and lack of over sight leading to a death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    I don't know if what you are saying is that can't sue him for anything (which I doubt you are) but you know how people are. They'll sue saying you caused them PTSD or depression or you killing their son causes them to wake up nightly, etc.

    At the end of the day, if people read my comments they'll see that I'm a little more supportive to zimmerman than martin but everything he's said jives with the law to me, so yea, people have their own opinions.

    I do think that a.) living with the image of a person you just shot for the rest of your life, b.) probably not really being able to hold a job for awhile since alot of employers won't really like the attention they'll be getting, c.) having things thrown at you, your car, your house/apt and d.) just a general fear of your life for killing a black person (yea I said it, it's true there's already been a ton of racist things happen at the hands of blacks "for trayvon" to random people let alone the actual guy who killed him, will be alot more "harm" to him than sitting in a jail for X amount of years.

    Oh, and according to CNN the site is "legit" but of course you never know. The thing I find great in everything that I've seen for "images" on this whole story I've never once seen things for "zimmerman" like "justice for zimmerman" "long live zimmerman", etc. It's nice to see there is people who do support him out there instead of 1 side stories always about martin.
    In other words you support a man who kills a child because he is has it so hard now and we need to feel sorry for the ohh so poor bastard...

    Fuck him and he's supporters for supporting a twisted minded self righteous lowlife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombstoner139 View Post
    Correct, but what about a situation that is created by the shooter.

    1) behave in a way that makes your target fearful provoking them to run - check
    2) pursue and intercept them - check
    3) stand your ground - check
    4) shoot in "self defense" - check
    5) premeditated murder completed - check

    I'm not saying this was zimmermans intent, but it is a blueprint for the future and why this case need to be brought to trial and the law reexamined/overhauled

    The family of trayvon is most likely to sue the homeowners association. way more money and lack of over sight leading to a death.
    You can bring the case to trial, but the law is on Zimmerman's side. You can create a situation, and then shoot in self-defence when that situation gets ugly, and that's okay according to the law. The law should be changed, yes, but you can't retroactively apply the law to something that happened 2 months ago.

    Also, Zimmerman wasn't official neighbourhood watch, he was self-appointed, last time I heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borzo View Post
    You can bring the case to trial, but the law is on Zimmerman's side. You can create a situation, and then shoot in self-defence when that situation gets ugly, and that's okay according to the law. The law should be changed, yes, but you can't retroactively apply the law to something that happened 2 months ago.

    Also, Zimmerman wasn't official neighbourhood watch, he was self-appointed, last time I heard.
    Then the Homeowners association needs to show how they attempted to distance themselves from zimmerman, if they even knew of Zimmerman existence.
    If however they did know he was acting on there behalf and representing himself as such, then they needed to stop him or begin a law suit to protect the homeowners organization. other wise they are vulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borzo View Post
    You can bring the case to trial, but the law is on Zimmerman's side. You can create a situation, and then shoot in self-defence when that situation gets ugly, and that's okay according to the law. The law should be changed, yes, but you can't retroactively apply the law to something that happened 2 months ago.

    Also, Zimmerman wasn't official neighbourhood watch, he was self-appointed, last time I heard.
    There has to be some sort of civilian version of entrapment, where you can't attack someone or force them to attack you and then claim self-defense when you push that fight to an extreme end.

    If the girlfriend's testimony about hearing him approached, questioned, and-she believes-pushed to the ground, were used at trial I feel like that would have at least some weight. The analyzed recording of 911 calls wouldn't have to take center stage then, but only support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketsurgeon View Post
    There has to be some sort of civilian version of entrapment, where you can't attack someone or force them to attack you and then claim self-defense when you push that fight to an extreme end.

    If the girlfriend's testimony about hearing him approached, questioned, and-she believes-pushed to the ground, were used at trial I feel like that would have at least some weight. The analyzed recording of 911 calls wouldn't have to take center stage then, but only support.
    In a way there is. Shoot first and it would be legal...

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