I find it fishy that he has gone rogue. Very interesting that this happened. Also I don't believe in the excuse he is running away because so many people want to kill him. Look at Casey Anthony, killed a child and so many people wanted to get her. I hated her guts more than Zimmerman and she is still kicking here...sadly....=/
In this case, the gun holder takes upper hand. Whatever happened, the other side was dead. A dead person could never defend for himself.
That left others have to believe what the gun holder says. It will encourage people to kill in argument becuase there are too many advantages for a killer in similar case.
But should a law help the weaker side for the justice?
part of me at first wanted to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, but after hearing his fairly racist remarks on that 911 call (.."these assholes always get away"), and being told not to follow, and then finally seeing a 48 page report from the state of florida detailing this man calling the police on multiple ocassion's, all for "suspicious men" (all of whom happened to be young, black males) that never turned out to be anything, i simply cannot see a reason why anyone would back this guy up. he's clearly a racist with a problem with black people in particular.
Possible trouble for Zimmerman's old attorneys
Essentially they went out and said "Martin did it and this is how it happened" and you can't say go around tainting the jury pool like that.
Technically you have to try to retreat and/or back down before shooting someone in self-defense (if you started the situation). But in practice that's a flexible issue... what if there's no witnesses? What if you claim the other person was reaching for a gun? It's hard to enforce this exception.
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How do we know that's his website? How do we know it's not someone else's website who is trying to milk Zimmerman's notoriety for cash?
His attorneys left him, his website was one of the reasons so yes it is his.How do we know that's his website? How do we know it's not someone else's website who is trying to milk Zimmerman's notoriety for cash?
I got a question maybe someone from Florida can answer. Has there been no debate within Florida that the legislation is a bit too slack?
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Now your if you want an arguement PLEASE, PLEASE get your facts right. First he was not pacing in front a house at all, he was shot 70 yards from the home he was going to (his father's I believe). LOL him having a backpack full of jewelry was related to the school incident. All Trayvon had was a cell phone, skittles and tea (that has been reported). So again your arguement for Zimmerman is he can follow/pursue anyone "suspicious". Well again first Zimmerman has no training on who/whom to deem suspicious. If Zimmerman saw a crime or at least some neighbor would have called/spoke to Zimmerman saying a person fitting Trayvon's description would give more credit to Zimmerman. I dont give a crap about race, for all I know so far race had nothing to do with this but I still see Zimmerman as an overzealous, even vigilante type who thought he was Captain Crimefighter stopping crime. If you think our society is better that people or people with guns can pick people who are "suspiciious" then not a place I want to live.
The other point is more or less my opinion. 1) It was said Zimmerman was going to Target, not acting as neighborhood watch but as soon as he called 911 and decided to pursue him I believe his right to carry a weapon for "self defense" goes out the window. Again this is all legal technicalities that probably will go more to a civil lawsuit. 2) Martin was on his phone talking to his girlfriend. PLEASE don't use person wearing a hoodie talking on phone is about to break-in house. That's a pretty broad picture and again would love to be in your neighborhood as watch.
I just think your adding lies and unfounded facts to the arguement is not a good way to back your arguement or opinion. If its your belief that ANY person can start deeming people as "suspicious" then that's a scary place for where we are going. Carrying a gun on top of that just adds to the nightmare.
As far as what has come out so far on the case and the stupid Florida law I do see it as a hard case to prosecute and Zimmerman will probably go free. Last up to date his lawyers (who didnt really represent him) went out of bounds and told attorney-client privledges last night. I think Zimmerman will still be able to claim self defense and the law will be on his side. I don't agree with this but that is how it is.
Tons of debate about legislation, and this isn't the first time. People who were obviously looking for trouble or in the wrong have successful escaped conviction off because of the way the law is interpreted. There has been tons of complaints against the Sanford police. A lot of counties require the Neighborhood Watch to be supervised and go there a training program by the police, Sanford's is not.
Again, where are your facts. He was not standing around. What, Zimmerman said this? I mean if I walking at night or anytime of the day I can't "stand around." Again you are trying to be a detective and deem people guilty. I do not know you but I'm sure you and 99.9% have no training at all. I hate the race aspect of it but this is where if EVERYONE is going to start deem people as suspicious then there will be alot of racial profiling. Yes it happens even with police but they do use many more techiniques to weed out supsicious people then just driving down road.It was raining, which makes the hoodie logical enough. It does add to the suspiciousness of standing around in that rain though, so it's a wash. While folks point to the hoodie, it didn't mean that it was the thing that drew attention, it was just part of the description given to police.
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The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding.Too many people taking what the racist race baiters Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say.As far as Zimm being in hiding would you not go into hiding if the black KKK(New panther party)put a bounty on your head.
You try and you fail,but the only true failure is when you quit trying.
According to a law enforcement official close to the investigation, the special prosecuter will indeed charge Zimmerman, though what the charge(s) will be is unclear.
Just heard on the radio.
i could see him getting charged with ignoring police but thats about it....
Again I agree race should be left out this and I think race had nothing to do but don't rant about race then just post one side of the arguement.