I was talking about a scenario involves team fight(5v5) and I was saying, shotgun combo is not an advantage in that case because you can not teleport to some safeplace. Also shotgun combo involves agi-dumped morph which is risky and can be ended with moprh's dead in team fight. So shotgunning some support to death between his/her team mates and switching to safe replicate is not always case. So if a heroes OP strength is situational, maybe its not OP? PizzaJoke insisted replicating to safe place during team fight after shotgunning some support to death which leaves both sides 4vs4 so 4vs4 scenario coined by PizzaJoke not me.. Anyway, in that case, one side has their carry in battlefield, the other has not.
This is the case I'm talking about.
I hope you are not talking about shotgunning and then replicating to base and TPing back...
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Even if they somehow force a fight without morphling there(So let's say he is farming while his team is pushing, so actually he should be pretty farmed, yeah?) he can INSTANTLY morph to his team and join the fight. He can then still shotgun someone, only difference is morph's team might actually lose some heros in engagement instead of wiping them 5-0..Oh the horror :/.
Unless it has 3 unusuals in which case I'll still use my war dog but I'll sure show it off to people to make them jealous.
Also why are you banned? You were supposed to learn from my mistakes not make them yourself. Next you'll be saying "Birth control? Not important."
You can't morph back 800 hp instantly, that takes time.
This post is uses hyperbole. If it's not obvious, you need to retake some literature. So from where I look at it, if he wants to get back at me because I was trying to point out his posts are overly hyperbolic and not very well argued by making a post like this (that is a hyperbole), there isn't much left for me to prove, no?Originally Posted by MasterOfInvocation
Well, at least Loda made himself worth it in fantasyleague. If only I had checked which teams actually played today more carefully.
All of your argument assumes a perfect initialization of morphling then replicating back to some perfect/magic spot which is not far away and the moment you came, somehow, morph having more right click steroid than AM and at the same time having more hp than a AM(AM builds involve vanguard you know that right? if you exclude previous trend of going straight bfury) while half of str is morphed to agi and managing to survive throughout team fight.
Is this some sort of super morphling you are talking about or the one I know? Also There is too much assumption here.
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But I'm not necessarily a huge fan of asymmetric games when it comes to competitive play, anyway - they're too hard to get balanced to a point of "perfection," especially compared to symmetrical games like Quake or UT. I guess you could argue chess and checkers are balanced to perfection, but they've had hundreds of years to figure it out, and white still wins more often than black because white gets first move.
I dunno. Dota is a fun game, but I'm having an increasingly difficult time taking it seriously as a true competitive eSport because I just feel there are too many poor design choices in it that shift the burden away from individual player skill/APM and towards just memorizing information.
I would still point towards Brood War as the best example of an asymmetrical game that incorporates roughly equal requirements of both skill/APM and game knowledge for professional play, and which is balanced exceptionally well. But, just like chess, that took a long time to get to that point, and it's still not perfectly balanced.
Maybe it's just mentality or viewpoint. Nothing I see in professional Dota play makes me think "man, I don't think I could ever pull that off..." Not in the same way watching the really good Code S Terrans in SC2 or any of the professional Quake/Nexuiz/Warsow players do their thing does. Some of the things those guys pull off, I don't think I'd ever be capable of matching, even if I really worked at it.
I agree that DotA isn't impressive to watch, but for people who aren't me and haven't played for 10 years it's probably one of the better "esports" to watch. For the 90% of the player base that just auto attacks creeps, never checks the mini map, never jukes in the forest, a lot of the stuff that happens in tourneys is probably really cool to watch.
Hell, just listen to how excited casters get when someone uses an ability.
But you're raising a good point. When I was just getting back into Dota, I really enjoyed watching Tobi's casts. But as I gained more knowledge, I enjoyed his casts less and less because he kept making bad observations or outright missing important things. I've lost count of how many first bloods he's missed :-/
I haven't watched anything....at all...but the two or three times I've watched 4 minutes of something I get linked I hear the casters flipping tables over the most trivial stuff...like people just using their abilities in the generic and completely expected way. Oh many, that guy side stepped the powershot, what a champion...only the best of the best of us can right click the ground...
And even if 99% of the population thinks something is OP, there is always someone who think's it is not.
But why does the burden of proof lie with me? He is the one claiming he was NOT OP to other people, so HE made the claim about morphling. He got nerfed, so the general consensus at valve was obviously that he was OP. A lot of pro's also thought Naga(Nerfed) and Morphling(Nerfed) was OP, yet he is the one claiming: "No he was not that good for x, y reasons".. Which I might say were all pretty much wrong, so I question his game knowledge tbh.
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And no, my previous posts about Morphling are not. If anything, what you wrote about him was meiosis. You are also the one using ad hominem arguments against Pizza all the time, so good job.
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You once went vanguard/vlads on AM..And why does this pop up in the conversation? I am talking about the current trend anyhow. AM with Vanguard sucks anyway, since you might as well NOT pick AM at all if aren't gonna rice him.
Give me a hard carry that has 2 escape mechanisms and 2 nukes with low cd's, one stun/mini stun, 1 full health illusion that deals 50% damage you can use on enemy carry but doesn't take more damage than a normal hero, has awesome stat gains(+10 on top of that), some of the best last hitting power in lanning, and can right click I will say better than an AM, slightly worse than a PA/Void. Oh and is Ranged. Oh and is the most mobile hard carry in the game, maybe shares that spot with Spectre and AM.
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To me, Day9 and Tobi are pretty much the same. They bring newbies to the scene and excite them for the game, but lack the highest level of knowledge and experience of their game, which makes their commentating for higher skilled players/wievers a turnoff.
Blizzard's ham-fisted way of handling SC2 kind of turned me off to the whole thing, especially now that it looks like they're dangling Heart of the Swarm in front of players as "come on little fella, buy it! Buy it! It'll fix eeeeeeverything...."