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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    I'd also note that there are many OP abilities
    Remember when we talked about how OP is subjective and then this guy who is obsessed with seeing OP everywhere jumped here to tell what's OP this week?

    I'd also note that what's in your head still isn't reality. I already pointed it out when you complained about Smoke Bomb n pages back, but would you mind explaining how a hero that is fine can have an ability that is OP? You don't get those abilities on any other heroes, it makes no sense to say something like "Riki is fine but Smoke Bomb is OP." Either the hero is OP, maybe because said skill is OP, or they're both fine. Smoke Bomb might be OP on Krobelus, Storm Bolt might be OP on Rubick (as a base skill, considering he is one of those heroes with a separate nuke and separate CC), but unfortunately only Riki and Sven have access to them. With the exception of Spell Steal, of course.

    Besides, how do you make Double Edge extremely great farming ability if you first have to invest in a ton of HP regen to keep using it? Does that differ much from how some other heroes could invest in mana regen or BF to farm? And how is "someone can buy a veil to boost it" not something that applies to any hero with nukes?

    And this would be the third time you launch into an explanation about how super Double Edge is? What, did you think someone didn't get your opinion yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    The odd thing is that I haven't seen Magnus picked up a lot in recent pro games. I don't think I've been seeing him banned but I'll be honest, I skip the pick/ban phase nine times out of ten because I find it boring as hell. Usually it seems like TA is first pick and Sven and Jakiro show up sometime before the second ban phase.
    He was either picked or banned in EVERY game at Dreamhack. He was picked 13 times and won 11 of those games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermanni View Post
    Besides, how do you make Double Edge extremely great farming ability if you first have to invest in a ton of HP regen to keep using it? Does that differ much from how some other heroes could invest in mana regen or BF to farm? And how is "someone can buy a veil to boost it" not something that applies to any hero with nukes?
    Because in most cases you'd get those regen items anyway. Centy needs to be tanky and just like with Pudge having a magical self-damage skill, Hood (and potentially finishing into Pipe) is an easy choice. Tranquil Boots can be disassembled later and are becoming popular on a lot of heroes to make sure you can stay in lane regardless of harassment.

    I wasn't implying that Veil can't be combined with other nukes, but that Double Edge hits considerably harder than most nukes (400 base damage versus around 300-325 for most other nukes), has a very short cooldown, and mostly has no resource cost past a certain point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lillpapps View Post
    He was either picked or banned in EVERY game at Dreamhack. He was picked 13 times and won 11 of those games.
    Haven't gotten around to watching Dreamhack. That'd probably be why I haven't seen him much, then :P
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    The thing about Magnus is that his mana is ASS. Arcanes are not an option, but mandatory, and that already locks him out of 8 STR/25 IAS. You could just get a carry with HotD and keep a manaburning satyr or whatever it was around and he'd be limited to tossing around two Shockwaves (or an Invoker with EMP lololo so skill rite guyise).

    Or... maybe just spread a bit around. Reverse Polarity does not have much of an AoE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupimus View Post
    The thing about Magnus is that his mana is ASS. Arcanes are not an option, but mandatory, and that already locks him out of 8 STR/25 IAS. You could just get a carry with HotD and keep a manaburning satyr or whatever it was around and he'd be limited to tossing around two Shockwaves (or an Invoker with EMP lololo so skill rite guyise).

    Or... maybe just spread a bit around. Reverse Polarity does not have much of an AoE.
    I think the main concern is Skewer and how it makes it a lot easier for him to get a good RP off without needing blink dagger.
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    Well, if the other team all manage to get caught by Skewer, then they deserve to lose anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiftero View Post
    Well, if the other team all manage to get caught by Skewer, then they deserve to lose anyway.
    He doesn't have to hit anyone to be able to use it as a supercharged Force Staff.
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    Hilariously enough, I just played a game where my ally got FB'd at level 1 due to magic missile + skewer on to the dire ward spot next to ancients. Mags just used the first blood gold to crow and get a TP scroll. The distance skewer can carry someone is hilariously long, from dire bot's defensive river ward spot all the way through the river to the hill on the other side.

    He still lost that game to lothar's Sven though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Hilariously enough, I just played a game where my ally got FB'd at level 1 due to magic missile + skewer on to the dire ward spot next to ancients. Mags just used the first blood gold to crow and get a TP scroll. The distance skewer can carry someone is hilariously long, from dire bot's defensive river ward spot all the way through the river to the hill on the other side.

    He still lost that game to lothar's Sven though.
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    I still assert lothar's being a good choice on virtually any hero depending on the game and how fast you can build it. I've seen a lot of BH players making shadow blade for the free 150 damage on their jinada, easy 800 crits 15 minutes in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    I still assert lothar's being a good choice on virtually any hero depending on the game and how fast you can build it. I've seen a lot of BH players making shadow blade for the free 150 damage on their jinada, easy 800 crits 15 minutes in.
    Isn't it kind of a waste as you can already hit with +120 from Shadow walk?

    Obviously Jinada has a lower CD than Shadow Walk, but it still sounds like a waste of money and
    pushing your delicious desolator 1 shot further away.

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    My buddy disagrees that PA+Magnus would be a strong combo. I disagree that she needs a ton of farm to be useful - assuming you decide to play aggressive, Vanguard takes care of her immediate health needs (or maybe even Tranquil Boots since those seem to be trending lately), and even with just, say, a Yasha or some other minor damage item, plus Magnus' Empower, she's easily capable of huge crits even at low levels... and those crits cleave for 50%, too.

    She's already a phenomenal chaser and has limited escape options with her blink strike and free evasion/minimap hiding. Shit, she'd probably be even better than Anti-Mage in a tri-lane due to her dagger alone, 50% slow on a short cooldown with enormous range would make it really hard to avoid Split Earth/Ice Path/etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juzalol View Post
    Isn't it kind of a waste as you can already hit with +120 from Shadow walk?

    Obviously Jinada has a lower CD than Shadow Walk, but it still sounds like a waste of money and
    pushing your delicious desolator 1 shot further away.
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=369089

    Its not likely to be some superbuild, but it certainly is fun to play. it only requires good start and less opponents with CCs. Also Im gonna point out, even Korok and Bulba were playing with the idea and it was used in a tournament i think?

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    you can consider yourself the big winner as I did indeed give up.
    Cool, so we both agree you lost. Awesome! Guess this is EOD, just glad I won though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarevokcz View Post
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=369089

    Its not likely to be some superbuild, but it certainly is fun to play. it only requires good start and less opponents with CCs. Also Im gonna point out, even Korok and Bulba were playing with the idea and it was used in a tournament i think?
    I don't understand Battle Fury on BH. I saw it all the time in games at my MMR level and it never made much sense to me. I get that BH can use some mana regen if he's roaming, but Bottle or even an Urn can take care of that and he isn't a carry, so it's not like he really benefits from the cleave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    he isn't a carry
    he is
    just not played as one in pro games (well at least not now, iirc in 2010 he was often picked for carry slot)

    bfury+jinada clear waves in 1-2hit so it is popular choice
    same reason ppl go for midas on furion even if its not optimal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finear View Post
    he is
    just not played as one in pro games (well at least not now, iirc in 2010 he was often picked for carry slot)

    bfury+jinada clear waves in 1-2hit so it is popular choice
    same reason ppl go for midas on furion even if its not optimal
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    Where the fuck is Medusa again?

    I wonder why they took so long to enable PRD in Dota 2, considering it was in DotA.
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