[Megathread] DotA 2

[Lightswords]

If there was anything in the world that made Russians look bad, it would be Dota 2. It makes me feel bad for the actual decent Russian people out there.

For crap sake, they even have their own server now. Don't come to EU West or even more west with your "Посмотрите на меня, я могу дышать через рот!".

Also the amount of people who start Dota 2 with medium bots... urk. No offense, but most people are not at that level at the start. They need to get that tutorial up, Dota 2 is really newbie-unfriendly.

This is actually funny. Everytime I play with Russians I got bad time. I got the same problem with Polish people playing LoL.I don't know why I just don't. It's not like I hate them or anything but they just suck. Last time I played dota this russian dude kept spamming "eat my dick!!!!!" in chat every possible occasion

[Storm the Sorrow]

If there was anything in the world that made Russians look bad, it would be Dota 2. It makes me feel bad for the actual decent Russian people out there.

For crap sake, they even have their own server now. Don't come to EU West or even more west with your "Посмотрите на меня, я могу дышать через рот!".

Also the amount of people who start Dota 2 with medium bots... urk. No offense, but most people are not at that level at the start. They need to get that tutorial up, Dota 2 is really newbie-unfriendly.

not this shit again...

Don't blame russians for playing EU. goddamnit.
Blame em for being bad.
blame brazil, Usa, Canada - whatever, for bad play.
Dont assault people for playing where you , and you personally, dont want them to play.

[Grading]

not this shit again...

Don't blame russians for playing EU. goddamnit.
Blame em for being bad.
blame brazil, Usa, Canada - whatever, for bad play.
Dont assault people for playing where you , and you personally, dont want them to play.

The reason I don't want them on those servers is that they can't speak English worth a damn. Do you know how hard it is to win a game when you can't understand what your team is saying?

I mean god damn, if I couldn't speak English and had a whole god damn server for my country/language only, I'd play there instead. Out of respect, and because I want communication. But my country isn't big enough for that. And in some rare cases, you have idiot Norwegians too.

We don't "hate" Russians or anything. We don't "hate" for no reason. We just think it's god damn stupid how they have their own server, speak their own language, yet INSIST on mixing into an audience who can't understand them and vice versa.

It would just be easier for everyone, you know?

[Storm the Sorrow]

The reason I don't want them on those servers is that they can't speak English worth a damn. Do you know how hard it is to win a game when you can't understand what your team is saying?

I mean god damn, if I couldn't speak English and had a whole god damn server for my country/language only, I'd play there instead. Out of respect, and because I want communication. But my country isn't big enough for that. And in some rare cases, you have idiot Norwegians too.

We don't "hate" Russians or anything. We don't "hate" for no reason. We just think it's god damn stupid how they have their own server, speak their own language, yet INSIST on mixing into an audience who can't understand them and vice versa.

It would just be easier for everyone, you know?

I find it amusing, almost satysfing that most russians hate other russians and try to play on eu just to escape own brethren.
I know what I'm talking about, for I'm russian myself.

But, it is not restricted to russians only. We are just (in a broad look) a bit cockier, arrogant and ignorant when it comes to Internet.
Part of mentality and shitty attitude with bad behavior to boot.

Which I am sorry for.

[Sarevokcz]

I find it amusing, almost satysfing that most russians hate other russians and try to play on eu just to escape own brethren.
I know what I'm talking about, for I'm russian myself.

But, it is not restricted to russians only. We are just (in a broad look) a bit cockier, arrogant and ignorant when it comes to Internet.
Part of mentality and shitty attitude with bad behavior to boot.

Which I am sorry for.

If the russian is normal player and doesnt even write in azbuka all the time, noone can tell hes russian (unless he has nick in cyrillic.) Its when they write all the time in azbuka, dont communicate at all other than "cyka" and when you ask them why they play here and dont communicate, its exactly because "they cant play with the russian noobs on the russian server" (oh the irony)

[Storm the Sorrow]

" and when you ask them why they play here and dont communicate, its exactly because "they cant play with the russian noobs on the russian server" (oh the irony)

that too.
and I'm suspecting ones impaired with poor English(or no knowledge whatsoever) just dont know how to channge servers.

[Zefie]

Also the amount of people who start Dota 2 with medium bots... urk. No offense, but most people are not at that level at the start. They need to get that tutorial up, Dota 2 is really newbie-unfriendly.

I usually queue for hard bots to try out new heroes. People buying 0 items, tanking towers for 4+ seconds, not even running when getting owned etc etc.
I mean I have the patience to teach them but most of them don't even respond, maybe out of shame or something, but it does make me wonder why they queued for hard in the first place.

[PizzaSHARK]

I usually queue for hard bots to try out new heroes. People buying 0 items, tanking towers for 4+ seconds, not even running when getting owned etc etc.
I mean I have the patience to teach them but most of them don't even respond, maybe out of shame or something, but it does make me wonder why they queued for hard in the first place.

I was initially trying to get my brother into Dota and it really made me realize just how much they have to know to do ANYTHING even remotely useful. I mean, he'd played LoL before (not heavily, just enough to try it) so he knew the basics to MOBA games and even then... it was just insane.

I guess it's hard to understand that when it's been years since you (generic you) were new yourself.

[Sarevokcz]

its not THAT bad. Maybe the problem with DotA2 is not enough newbies can actually play it. When i started with dota on eurobattle and garena, it was flooded with noobs like me, there were even "only noobs" games created all the time, so it wasnt that harsh to get into the game. In dota2, imo most people are to some degree seasoned players and barely anyone new to the game, who gets discouraged in his first game when all he hears is "noob go back to lol" "delete dota" and similar and one can only play against bots only so much before he needs real experience with runehunting, ganks, people not calling SS, "OP" lane combos etc.

[PizzaSHARK]

its not THAT bad. Maybe the problem with DotA2 is not enough newbies can actually play it. When i started with dota on eurobattle and garena, it was flooded with noobs like me, there were even "only noobs" games created all the time, so it wasnt that harsh to get into the game. In dota2, imo most people are to some degree seasoned players and barely anyone new to the game, who gets discouraged in his first game when all he hears is "noob go back to lol" "delete dota" and similar and one can only play against bots only so much before he needs real experience with runehunting, ganks, people not calling SS, "OP" lane combos etc.

It really is "that" bad, man. How to jungle, how to counter-jungle, how to ward and where to ward, how to counter-ward and where to place those counter-wards, 118(?) heroes' worth of skills and abilities and playstyles multiplied by multiple item build orders for each hero, tricky uses of common items (Armlet toggling, etc), what items to get and when, what items not to get and when, and on and on and on and on and on.

And it's not like you need to know this in passing, you need to have it freaking memorized so you can call it up at will, because it IS going to matter.

As I'm sure Hermanni, Lysah, and the other players that play at the high end of the MMR scale can tell you, the difference between good and bad below their level is almost wholly related to knowledge of the game, not actual player skill. There is a simply enormous amount of information to be memorized, digested, and regurgitated on command just to be able to play the game at an "average," level. It's a MASSIVE barrier to entry and I'd put it up there on the same level as games like Dwarf Fortress and Rogue.

Compare this to a game like Starcraft II. Yeah, there's definitely build orders to learn and information about units and upgrade timings and whatnot to learn, but you run out of "you must know this to not die," information fairly quickly and it becomes working on your execution - working on getting that APM up so 3 infestors can't fungal 40 marines to death with 200 energy, on maneuvering units into good engagement positions, etc.

And then you have games like QuakeWorld on the opposite end of the scale - there's very little information to memorize, mostly just medpack and armor respawn timings and map layouts, but a staggering amount of raw skills (APM) that you have to learn to do in order to reach and compete at that "average" level of play.

And of the three, I'd say Dota is the most difficult to get into, because until you have all that knowledge, your APM isn't going to matter a whole lot - if you don't know that Juggy can spin to prevent you from nuking him down, you're going to feed and feed and feed regardless of your APM being higher than theirs.

[TheSupremus]

This is actually funny. Everytime I play with Russians I got bad time. I got the same problem with Polish people playing LoL.I don't know why I just don't. It's not like I hate them or anything but they just suck. Last time I played dota this russian dude kept spamming "eat my dick!!!!!" in chat every possible occasion

Usually when I play with Russians they destroy everything ^^

[Charge me Doctor]

This is actually funny. Everytime I play with Russians I got bad time. I got the same problem with Polish people playing LoL.I don't know why I just don't. It's not like I hate them or anything but they just suck. Last time I played dota this russian dude kept spamming "eat my dick!!!!!" in chat every possible occasion

Usually, you don't even know that you are playing with russians. Those brats you are talking about is just a bad players, and due to lack of english language knowlege, they start swearing in russian or engrish. Yesterday i played with SS on mid on my team, who lost lane to dragon knight, fed him 4 kills and he started roaming and ruined our bot line. He started blaming ominknight with 1/4/7 KDA, and yelling in voice chat "lalala can't hear your russians bullshit" every time he communicated with his teammate (I que only for Russian "realm", so he is qued for it too).

The reason I don't want them on those servers is that they can't speak English worth a damn. Do you know how hard it is to win a game when you can't understand what your team is saying?

I mean god damn, if I couldn't speak English and had a whole god damn server for my country/language only, I'd play there instead. Out of respect, and because I want communication. But my country isn't big enough for that. And in some rare cases, you have idiot Norwegians too.

We don't "hate" Russians or anything. We don't "hate" for no reason. We just think it's god damn stupid how they have their own server, speak their own language, yet INSIST on mixing into an audience who can't understand them and vice versa.

It would just be easier for everyone, you know?

You don't need to really talk with your team, all you need is new Y chat addon. The basics like "ward here", "group up to smoke", "deward here", "mia" and so on. Things like "omg, sniper, it is already 25 minute of the game and you have only power treads" are NOT needed in this game.

[Finear]

I got the same problem with Polish people playing LoL.

thats because every 11yo kid and his mom plays LoL here ;s
it is really huge game in poland

[Vouksh89]

*snip*

Well, I'm glad it's not just me. I dipped my toes into MOBA games with HoN, but never really 'got' it, plus the people I was going to play with didn't want to join me due to the whole MMR thing.

Now they've all got DotA 2, and I've watched them play a bit. One sent me one of those free invites, and I've started playing some solo bot matches. I just feel like I'm utterly overwhelmed when I got to play.

I don't want to just be spoon-fed everything... but... I barely have a clue as to what each hero does, or what their roles mean. There's almost NO explanation. Just "Here you go have fun, thanks for playing". Do I got top? bottom? mid? How far do I go? What skills should I get first? When should I level my stats?

I don't even wanna try to play a normal game with other players, as I've seen the 'community' that plays games like DotA. Confused on one thing? "HOLY SHIT YOU FUCKING SUCK DICK DIE IN A FIRE". I'd rather not submit myself to that.

Plus, idk if I could handle playing through some of the 45m-1hr long games I've seen my roommates go through.

[Charge me Doctor]

Well, I'm glad it's not just me. I dipped my toes into MOBA games with HoN, but never really 'got' it, plus the people I was going to play with didn't want to join me due to the whole MMR thing.

Now they've all got DotA 2, and I've watched them play a bit. One sent me one of those free invites, and I've started playing some solo bot matches. I just feel like I'm utterly overwhelmed when I got to play.

I don't want to just be spoon-fed everything... but... I barely have a clue as to what each hero does, or what their roles mean. There's almost NO explanation. Just "Here you go have fun, thanks for playing". Do I got top? bottom? mid? How far do I go? What skills should I get first? When should I level my stats?

I don't even wanna try to play a normal game with other players, as I've seen the 'community' that plays games like DotA. Confused on one thing? "HOLY SHIT YOU FUCKING SUCK DICK DIE IN A FIRE". I'd rather not submit myself to that.

Plus, idk if I could handle playing through some of the 45m-1hr long games I've seen my roommates go through.

I know many players who will help you and answer your questions. Don't give up on community. Just be nice and don't blame others for everything.

And if you wan't to learn more about dota, you can check out DotaCinema channel on youtube, they have decent guides (not character guides, but overall, like warding and laning)

[Zefie]

Well, I'm glad it's not just me. I dipped my toes into MOBA games with HoN, but never really 'got' it, plus the people I was going to play with didn't want to join me due to the whole MMR thing.

Now they've all got DotA 2, and I've watched them play a bit. One sent me one of those free invites, and I've started playing some solo bot matches. I just feel like I'm utterly overwhelmed when I got to play.

I don't want to just be spoon-fed everything... but... I barely have a clue as to what each hero does, or what their roles mean. There's almost NO explanation. Just "Here you go have fun, thanks for playing". Do I got top? bottom? mid? How far do I go? What skills should I get first? When should I level my stats?

I don't even wanna try to play a normal game with other players, as I've seen the 'community' that plays games like DotA. Confused on one thing? "HOLY SHIT YOU FUCKING SUCK DICK DIE IN A FIRE". I'd rather not submit myself to that.

Plus, idk if I could handle playing through some of the 45m-1hr long games I've seen my roommates go through.

One of the more useful guide sites, if only for it being so to the point.

I don't agree with all their item builds (the kind of players who need guides really shouldn't buy blink so often) but it works.

[Wookeh]

Everage day on EU West.

Russian 1: speaks Russian
Russian 2: speaks Russian
You: I don't speak Russian, sorry.
Russian 1: ))))
Russian 1: speaks Russian
*silence*
Russian 3: speaks russian
*you die once*
Russian 1: FU NOOB IDIOT STOP FEED

It's a team game, yet team play is impossible. They should be forced onto their own Russian servers. It annoys the shit out of me to have to hear them speak Russian all the time in both voice chat and text. Not to mention the quality of game they tend to provide.

[Storm the Sorrow]

Everage day on EU West.

Russian 1: speaks Russian
Russian 2: speaks Russian
You: I don't speak Russian, sorry.
Russian 1: ))))
Russian 1: speaks Russian
*silence*
Russian 3: speaks russian
*you die once*
Russian 1: FU NOOB IDIOT STOP FEED

It's a team game, yet team play is impossible. They should be forced onto their own Russian servers. It annoys the shit out of me to have to hear them speak Russian all the time in both voice chat and text. Not to mention the quality of game they tend to provide.

well now, you're just exxagerating.

[Wookeh]

well now, you're just exxagerating.

I'm in no way exaggerating, what i said happens pretty much every single game. If you choose to play on a EU west (or even east) server you speak what others are speaking, ENGLISH, becuase it's a language the vast majority of us understand and speak ourselves. Not Russian, a language nobody really gives a crap about and hardly anyone speaks outside of Russia. They choose to join our servers, adapt or get the hell out, simple as 1, 2, 3.

[Charge me Doctor]

I'm in no way exaggerating, what i said happens pretty much every single game. If you choose to play on a EU west (or even east) server you speak what others are speaking, ENGLISH, becuase it's a language the vast majority of us understand and speak ourselves. Not Russian, a language nobody really gives a crap about and hardly anyone speaks outside of Russia. They choose to join our servers, adapt or get the hell out, simple as 1, 2, 3.

So, when someone calls you an idiot for dying, you wan't them to be phased to other server? I can't see any trouble, you get flamed on english langauge (not russian), so why do you complain