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    Quote Originally Posted by Sackman View Post
    He isn't a semi-carry, he's a roamer ganker and he drops off MASSIVELY in the mid game. He's there to ensure you win the early game and your carries get farmed.
    I don't buy that. Assuming there's an enemy to leech attack speed off of, he'll perform just fine as an INT semi-carry like some others, assuming you have the mana to sustain constant spell use.

    Too many people get set into a League of Legends-like THIS HERO HAS ONLY ONE ROLE AND CAN DO ONLY THIS NO EXCEPTIONS mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    I don't buy that. Assuming there's an enemy to leech attack speed off of, he'll perform just fine as an INT semi-carry like some others, assuming you have the mana to sustain constant spell use.

    Too many people get set into a League of Legends-like THIS HERO HAS ONLY ONE ROLE AND CAN DO ONLY THIS NO EXCEPTIONS mindset.
    I'm not in that mindset, I'm talking from experience of playing visage, after midgame, he drops off massively. He can't carry, at all. By 16 and max abilities, thats pretty much his entire growth (save for agh's). Not saying he's useless after that point ofc, but he is no carry, not at all, not even semi.
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    breaking news:
    playing different heroes is fun!
    never thought that with even an ounce of teamwork, being an Undying is so much funzies)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm the Sorrow View Post
    breaking news:
    playing different heroes is fun!
    never thought that with even an ounce of teamwork, being an Undying is so much funzies)
    That's why you should random every game!

    This will also lead to unorthodox play styles. Like hard support mirana, viper or something equally as
    strange. Somehow it works out in most games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juzalol View Post
    That's why you should random every game!

    This will also lead to unorthodox play styles. Like hard support mirana, viper or something equally as
    strange. Somehow it works out in most games.
    Maybe for you, I do something against the norm people freak the fuck out. Witch Doctor is a support, play him as support!!! No no, I no play hem as support (gotta do this in Consuela's voices from family guy). GG games over, witch doctor is a nub.... Happens every time. Or, tiny is not carry, is support, get support items plz. No, doing a carry build. Lane partner decides to feed/rage quit/whine rest of game. Its pritty much shit like that, I always seem to get the people stuck in one mind set and won't adapt. In a Ursa game I did, got a mkb to counter their riki/pa (they had both....) got bitched at because it was "out side the norm"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichy View Post
    Maybe for you, I do something against the norm people freak the fuck out. Witch Doctor is a support, play him as support!!! No no, I no play hem as support (gotta do this in Consuela's voices from family guy). GG games over, witch doctor is a nub.... Happens every time. Or, tiny is not carry, is support, get support items plz. No, doing a carry build. Lane partner decides to feed/rage quit/whine rest of game. Its pritty much shit like that, I always seem to get the people stuck in one mind set and won't adapt. In a Ursa game I did, got a mkb to counter their riki/pa (they had both....) got bitched at because it was "out side the norm"
    "outside-of-the-box-thinking" is a matter you don't really want to touch, friend ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm the Sorrow View Post
    "outside-of-the-box-thinking" is a matter you don't really want to touch, friend ^^
    Yeah, its why I miss dota1 right now. Thinking outside of the box and coming up with some amazing setup that no one exected was great and rewarding. In Dota2, it gets you trolled to no end, whiners galore, and all from try hards that don't even play competitively (I don't play competitively, dota is for fun!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    I don't understand why else you'd pick him, then, if he doesn't give a team a decisive advantage against another trilane, assuming all other things are equal.
    Two opposing trilanes will never have "all other things" equal. Besides, they didn't run him in a trilane, and that's probably one of the reasons they got the upper hand against FnaticRC in that game. I'd personally prefer Undying+Jakiro+1 over Visage+2, it's ridiculously powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sackman View Post
    I'm not in that mindset, I'm talking from experience of playing visage, after midgame, he drops off massively. He can't carry, at all. By 16 and max abilities, thats pretty much his entire growth (save for agh's). Not saying he's useless after that point ofc, but he is no carry, not at all, not even semi.
    That's like saying QoP can't carry and we've seen her played as a semi-carry plenty of times. Ditto Invoker and several others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Longview View Post
    Two opposing trilanes will never have "all other things" equal. Besides, they didn't run him in a trilane, and that's probably one of the reasons they got the upper hand against FnaticRC in that game. I'd personally prefer Undying+Jakiro+1 over Visage+2, it's ridiculously powerful.
    Because Ice Path is stupid and Dirge is going to be problematic until they can figure out what to do about Tombstone. It's a bit of a high-risk ability since it has a long cooldown but if you have some way of setting things up (like, say, a Fissure with no drawbacks) it's pretty much a guaranteed kill every 60 sec if they aren't tower hugging.
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    Make tombstone destroyable by # of attacks like supernova snowball or homing missile. All of the problem of this spell revolves around how unkillable the stone is until very late game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Make tombstone destroyable by # of attacks like supernova snowball or homing missile. All of the problem of this spell revolves around how unkillable the stone is until very late game.
    you would than have to make Tombstone unhealable by Dirge, perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm the Sorrow View Post
    you would than have to make Tombstone unhealable by Dirge, perhaps.
    Not sure how that would be handled, but it's possible that it could restore 1 hit per X units siphoned. If it started at 8 hits and he was able to heal it up to a maximum of like 13 it would still be incredibly difficult to kill without some concentration - exactly how it is now. The difference is, he doesn't get to automatically win a 2v2 (or worse) lane just because 600 health is way too much to auto attack through at level 3-5 (that's an entire hero that you can't use spells to nuke down).

    Right now the default behavior when you see a stone is to run away and cut the zombies down and proceed to stay away until it disappears, that's pretty shallow gameplay in my opinion.
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  13. #4393
    I just played a few games on that new mode and it's pretty much bullshit. i played diretide only once or twice so i ve got a naked greevil and i'm completely useless to my team :|

  14. #4394
    broken ....

    my white 3xunusal greevil is so useless its not even funny

  15. #4395
    My Greevil has a 40 sec CD black hole, I'm happy
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  16. #4396
    I, uh... Really, really don't understand the new mode. So very confused.
    There was like, hitting and in- and out of Greevil form and then bam we won, somehow.


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  17. #4397
    I've several Greevils, using my Seraphic with the fairly lucky combination of Hook + Purification + Phantom Strike. The game mode seems to be much better thought out than vanilla Diretide and has fewer game-breaking bugs, no lane farming, no massive imbalances, no mandatory boss killing in the end. The games are pretty fast too, although I played games where it was back and forth teamfight mayhem for the first 5 minutes without anyone getting a score.

    I imagine having a bad Greevil would hurt a bit, but at least the randomness of items keeps the chances of winning a bit more even and you can always make up for it by picking huge teamfight heroes.


    If you're new to the mode, remember to change between your hero and your Greevil often. They have separate health/mana, they regenerate while not being used and their cooldowns count down. Also, your Greevil is often a lot tankier than your hero so starting in that form might be a good idea. I randomed Storm Spirit earlier and could just zip away all my mana, blink around as a Greevil for a while and switch back to full mana SS.
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  18. #4398
    I really enjoyed this event thus far. It is always really impressing to me for a game developer to hotfix issues on the fly as they arise (Juggernaut would one-hit greevils), and hey - free hats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermanni View Post
    I imagine having a bad Greevil would hurt a bit, but at least the randomness of items keeps the chances of winning a bit more even and you can always make up for it by picking huge teamfight heroes.
    The RNG on items can also throw games away, i.e. getting randomed an Aghanim's on a hero which doesn't benefit from it.

    Is Divine Rapier one of the possible RNG items you can get in this mode? Would be a bitch if your team is up 10-0 and the enemy gets randomed a Rapier. Or two. Or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    The RNG on items can also throw games away, i.e. getting randomed an Aghanim's on a hero which doesn't benefit from it.

    Is Divine Rapier one of the possible RNG items you can get in this mode? Would be a bitch if your team is up 10-0 and the enemy gets randomed a Rapier. Or two. Or more.
    Yes, I had a Rapier game earlier. We still won though, it is not that big of a deal. If you want to utilize the Rapier you need to use your hero, which is squishy.

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