What's with people circlejerking on heroes like Shredder and Bloodseeker being "countered by TP scroll"? Who cares if they can TP out? That's 135 gold wasted, probably on a support (that's basically a set of wards or bag of dust) who doesn't have much gold to begin with, and it also wastes a 60 sec TP cooldown, meaning they can't be there to defend the tower or whatever when you start pushing it.
Hell, Nightstalker is countered by a TP scroll, too (durr, just TP after he voids) and yet he's been used off and on throughout pro games all this year. I mean, if they think Shredder or Bloodseeker are just garbage, that's one thing... but this circlejerking over HURR DURR BUY A TP is fucking stupid.
Also I am not sure why it's stupid? Could you elaborate more because It works like a charm against Bloodseeker.
Last edited by Kuntantee; 2013-01-01 at 11:53 AM.
You dont have to TP all the way back to base, closest tower or maybe 2 towers away is enough. Its a lot more than 135 gold if you die.
I'm saying that acting like forcing a TP is nothing is bullshit. It's a 60 second cooldown and it's forcing someone away from the action. Again, if TP scrolls are such an automatic counter to things like that, why is Night Stalker still used? After all, just start TPing immediately after he uses Void and there's literally nothing he can do to stop it.
TP is good against Bloodseeker because it's very unlikely for a BS to get a solo kill on a hero that is at over half HP and starts TP'ing immediately when they're hit by Rupture. Much harder to pull off against a Nightstalker. 135 gold from any hero is nothing compared to the other negative outcomes, and as a support I'd be happy to pay much more gold to make the enemy BS throw away his mid in a failed gank attempt and a wasted ultimate.
I mean, NS is the better hero, but if you're talking about "just hit 6, time to gank sidelanes" scenarios, I don't really see one being stronger than the other.
And of course NS void has like 8s CD and does 300 damage, BSs ulti does 100 till 11 level and has 70s CD. BS is pretty useless once he has no ulti, NS has nuke with slow all the time, can dive towers easily, has huge movement and attack speed and advantage of better nightvision.
As for Nightstalker? He sees you before you see him, and if he thinks you'd TP out of him he can just open with silence and Urn, chase you down with a few autoattacks and then Void when he is already in your melee range and you're in kill range. Even if his target doesn't die, well, Void has 8 second cooldown, Rupture has 70. Meanwhile Void is more damage than rank 1 Rupture assuming little movement and NS definitely delivers more rightclick damage at night time.
And considering NS has plenty of utility it should not be very hard to see why he is a good competitive pick.
Last edited by Kuntantee; 2013-01-01 at 02:29 PM.
Why are we even nitpicking over who's better at forcing a TP? The point is that forcing a TP isn't something to just shrug off if you and your team are competent enough to know how to punish the enemy for someone being out of position, and with heroes like NS and BS, just teleporting to your tier 2 may not be enough to guarantee safety, especially if you're already low.
On a less serious note that sounds like an excellent line to us in the future though, fail a Rupture gank against ultra professional player with a TP? fu noob i was only forcing a tp lolol troled
Tried out Lich today, man he is sick. Ulti + Specter is insane.
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