1. #4841
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    It wasn't just me though. It was 3 of us. That's why I wish they would at least give you some more information on why you were banned. Something other than hey you left or you were a douche.
    yeah it would be handy (tho iv never been in low prio because of report)

    still, it was probably from a game when you also stacked
    unless it was a bug and/or human error which happens from time to time, this is still beta after all

  2. #4842
    Quote Originally Posted by verba View Post
    Do not discuss SC2 + Casual in the same sentence. Sc2 is extremely fun to watch and play or a semi-high level. It's NOT meant for Casuals.

    Dota 2 wasn't ever made with casuals in mind (sure there will be a tutorial in the release, but there are guides to both dota and sc2 on google).

    Dota 2 and Sc2 will NEVER turn into the League of Legends "Casualness". The declining in SKILLFULL games is simply due to the generation of kids who are lazy and want everything while doing as little as possible. That's league of legends in a nutshell.
    ..... lol.
    Where does Dota's complexity come from?
    Everyone beside verba please wait for him to answer I really want to see this.

  3. #4843
    Quote Originally Posted by Longview View Post
    you cant ball out of control without rapier+refresher
    >ASK YOURSELF THIS FIRST:
    AM I PLAYING LEORIC?

    YES: GET AN ARMLET
    NO: GET AN ARMLET

    >IS MY TEAM ALL MELEE BECAUSE COLLECTIVELY WE HAVE A LEARNING DISABILITY? GET A VLAD'S

    love this guide ;d

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longview View Post
    You say that as if being casual was somehow bad.
    It is bad yes.

    The more players turning to play League of legends, making them more and more casual by the day. Which means games that actually takes skill and is harder, wont get much attention.

    So LoL is ruining E-sports.
    Last edited by verba; 2013-01-03 at 07:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Typically bought when you have some other carry on the team, if solo carrying armlet>core.
    I was under the impression you bought it because he's so easy to kite, and the mana gives him more wiggle room.
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  6. #4846
    Quote Originally Posted by verba View Post
    It is bad yes.
    Please elaborate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longview View Post
    Please elaborate!
    The more players turning to play League of legends, making them more and more casual by the day. Which means games that actually takes skill and is harder, wont get much attention.

    So LoL is ruining E-sports.

  8. #4848
    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    I was under the impression you bought it because he's so easy to kite, and the mana gives him more wiggle room.
    Soul ring and mana is almost never a problem for a lot less gold. He can be easy to kite but he has a stun with a 7 second cooldown that also slows. Force is over 2k, too much of an investment, you're choosing between that and armlet. If you're support carrying you get force so that you can initiate with HFB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Soul ring and mana is almost never a problem for a lot less gold. He can be easy to kite but he has a stun with a 7 second cooldown that also slows. Force is over 2k, too much of an investment, you're choosing between that and armlet. If you're support carrying you get force so that you can initiate with HFB.
    Why not just get both? Armlet's good no matter when you buy it, right?
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  10. #4850
    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Why not just get both? Armlet's good no matter when you buy it, right?
    45 minutes force staff armlet Leoric will be pretty nonfactor. Unless, of course, he's the second carry, in which case he will be fine.
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  11. #4851
    what do you say about a qop who solos mid, bottles every rune, but doesn't gank top or bot AT ALL and ends the game with 2 assists..... bad bad bad..

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    Quote Originally Posted by verba View Post
    The more players turning to play League of legends, making them more and more casual by the day. Which means games that actually takes skill and is harder, wont get much attention.

    So LoL is ruining E-sports.
    Btw. comparing games is not recomended, It will only turn into a ragefest where the LoL fans and Dota fans will yell obscene stuff at eachother.

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    what do you say about a qop who solos mid, bottles every rune, but doesn't gank top or bot AT ALL and ends the game with 2 assists..... bad bad bad..
    I would say that someone needs to learn some teamplay
    Last edited by Kerdoz; 2013-01-03 at 10:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerdozia View Post
    Btw. comparing games is not recomended, It will only turn into a ragefest where the LoL fans and Dota fans will yell obscene stuff at eachother.



    I would say that someone needs to learn some teamplay
    I'm not comparing anything. I'm just stating that league of legends is ruining E-Sports

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    Quote Originally Posted by verba View Post
    I'm not comparing anything. I'm just stating that league of legends is ruining E-Sports
    But why in gods name are you doing it in a Dota 2 thread then?

    Here you have a whole section for LoL

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    Quote Originally Posted by verba View Post
    The more players turning to play League of legends, making them more and more casual by the day. Which means games that actually takes skill and is harder, wont get much attention.

    So LoL is ruining E-sports.
    I don't really see how. I'm reminded of when I played WoW and so many players kept whining about "casuals" and "bads." And then you'd raid with them or arena with them and turns out they're pretty shit themselves...

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-04 at 06:51 AM ----------

    Thought of something just now, want to see what you guys think.

    Someone was saying TA was OP, and I was telling him he was full of shit. It occurred to me that in all of the games I've seen where TA starts a rapetrain that never stops rolling, she was able to do it because the other team had naked supports at like 20 minutes, and did not drill her in lane. So it seems like you have two choices to keep TA under control if the enemy team picks her:

    - Pick heroes that will dick her in lane.

    - Let your supports get some farm so she can't walk around two-shotting them.

    She cuts right through supports with boots, wand, and wards at 20 minutes, but I don't think I've ever seen her instagib supports that have items at that time - hell, maybe even just a bracer or two would be enough stats to survive the initial salvo and fight back or escape, and I'm sure something like force staff or ghost scepter would shut her down completely as far as feeding on supports goes.

    Does that sound accurate?
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  16. #4856
    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Someone was saying TA was OP, and I was telling him he was full of shit.
    It was you who thought TA was OP as ten-thousand fucks. If you are talking about a competitive game(CM mode) you can always ban her if enemy team is utilizing her very effectively.
    Last edited by Kuntantee; 2013-01-04 at 01:20 PM.

  17. #4857
    PizzaSHARK went on a fanatical crusade about how broken and op TA was both before and after she got fixed in Dota 2. Great example to use

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    Just TA? We used to have at least one post a week about (questionably) OP heroes, in his defense, his fights with Hermanni keep this thread alive^^

  20. #4860
    I've been getting tired of reading "pro games are boring because its the same 20 heroes in every game" or something similar too often to my liking. So I did a quick approximation on the amount of heroes that have been relevant in the past ~2 months because why not.

    -Heroes currently in Dota 2 and CM: 90. Total number of heroes is 95, but 5 aren't in CM.

    -Common picks and bans: 34. Used criteria was that heroes are picked or banned in notable fraction of games (over ~20%.) Games generally have 5-8 heroes from this pool. Examples: Wisp, Lone Druid, Nyx Assassin, Enigma.

    -Regular but not common picks and bans: 24. Criteria being heroes that regularly make appearance but are more situational and somewhat less often seen than some other heroes in similar roles. Examples: Chaos Knight, Tinker, Nature's Prophet, Venomancer.

    -Uncommon picks and bans: 14. Criteria being heroes that get picked or banned every now and then, but only about 5-10% of games and possibly only by certain teams. Examples: Weaver, Ancient Apparition, Kunkka, Omniknight.

    -Rarely or almost never picked: 18. This group does include a number of heroes that have been picked from time to time (e.g. Pudge, Axe) or even very recently (e.g. Doombringer, Spectre) or have been popular in the past but not in the last few months (e.g. Riki, Morphling.) Overall it seems to me that there are less than 10 heroes in the current pool that are yet to make any impact in the competitive scene.


    Worth noting is that these are only estimates and only reflect my potentially limited memory and experience. I did not include heroes that I've only seen picked in games with tier 2 teams, but I did more or less mash the eastern and western scenes together because they constantly mirror each other anyway. I admit that I may have overestimated a bit, but to me it still seems very apparent that a good majority of the hero pool is relevant in competitive games - which is a bit more than 20.
    Last edited by Hermanni; 2013-01-04 at 02:30 PM.



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