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    Quote Originally Posted by Underskilled View Post
    That simply isn't true, their similarities do not go beyond "Your attacks do more damage".
    Except they do, man. All DD does is add more damage. All Geminate does is add more damage. The way they add it differs a bit, but it's simply more damage in either case since Geminate can't proc effects on the bonus attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Except they do, man. All DD does is add more damage. All Geminate does is add more damage. The way they add it differs a bit, but it's simply more damage in either case since Geminate can't proc effects on the bonus attack.
    And an attack with a double damage rune CAN proc modifiers and effects, which is why the analogy ends right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Except they do, man. All DD does is add more damage. All Geminate does is add more damage. The way they add it differs a bit, but it's simply more damage in either case since Geminate can't proc effects on the bonus attack.
    that can be said for ALL abilities that give extra damage, does CK get "free DD rune" with his crit too? Does Leoric? If geminate was % based instead of static one per 2,5s, would it stop being free DD rune? All desolate does is add more pure damage, so it essentialy is, too, free DD rune on Spec, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underskilled View Post
    And an attack with a double damage rune CAN proc modifiers and effects, which is why the analogy ends right there.
    Except so can the initial attack on Geminate. The only difference is in amount of damage dealt, and if both the DD hit and Geminate hit crit, the difference isn't especially massive (DD will be more total damage, but not by an overwhelming amount.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarevokcz View Post
    that can be said for ALL abilities that give extra damage, does CK get "free DD rune" with his crit too? Does Leoric? If geminate was % based instead of static one per 2,5s, would it stop being free DD rune? All desolate does is add more pure damage, so it essentialy is, too, free DD rune on Spec, right?
    Of course not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Except so can the initial attack on Geminate. The only difference is in amount of damage dealt, and if both the DD hit and Geminate hit crit, the difference isn't especially massive (DD will be more total damage, but not by an overwhelming amount.)
    Even if it's not a huge amount, the difference itself still renders the comparison moot, as there's still a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underskilled View Post
    Even if it's not a huge amount, the difference itself still renders the comparison moot, as there's still a difference.
    Why would the existence of a small difference render a comparison moot? Would be awfully redundant to compare equivalents!
    Actually I've no clue what is being discussed in here.

    Oh, and I've been wondering for a while. What heroes are supposed to carry Shadowblade? Because that item is just too much fun


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    Quote Originally Posted by Underskilled View Post
    Even if it's not a huge amount, the difference itself still renders the comparison moot, as there's still a difference.
    So you can't compare a Focus to a Cruze because there's a couple thousand dollars in price difference and a couple points in MPG difference? That's pretty silly logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everything Nice View Post
    Oh, and I've been wondering for a while. What heroes are supposed to carry Shadowblade? Because that item is just too much fun
    Probably anyone that can use all of its features, mostly the attack speed and backstab damage. Since you can use it without breaking channeling spells, it can also be useful for heroes like Witch Doctor, though I think in most cases you're better off just buying a Black King Bar (BKB.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    So you can't compare a Focus to a Cruze because there's a couple thousand dollars in price difference and a couple points in MPG difference? That's pretty silly logic.
    You can certainly compare them. You can't, however, call a Focus a Cruze, simply because they're both cars. While it's true, that's the end of their similarities, really rendering the analogy moot. Both Geminate Attack and a DD rune make your attack hit roughly twice as hard, that's the end of their similarities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underskilled View Post
    You can certainly compare them. You can't, however, call a Focus a Cruze, simply because they're both cars. While it's true, that's the end of their similarities, really rendering the analogy moot. Both Geminate Attack and a DD rune make your attack hit roughly twice as hard, that's the end of their similarities.
    And that was the entire purpose for comparing them - they both effectively make you hit twice every time you attack (/every time Geminate is up.) I never actually said they were the same, just close enough to be analogous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    And that was the entire purpose for comparing them - they both effectively make you hit twice every time you attack (/every time Geminate is up.) I never actually said they were the same, just close enough to be analogous.
    I know, and I feel they're not close enough to be analogous. They both happen to cause your next attack to do roughly double damage, but that's it, in almost every other account, they're different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underskilled View Post
    I know, and I feel they're not close enough to be analogous. They both happen to cause your next attack to do roughly double damage, but that's it, in almost every other account, they're different.
    I guess I'll just agree to disagree with you, then. I doubt either of us are going to change our mind

    Maybe we can agree Troll's ulti is bullshit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Seems like it's not really dusa's, either. Buriza, Manta, Butterfly, and Linken's and it still felt like she wasn't hitting very hard. Hitting lots of targets for decent damage all at once, but even compared to a Sniper it didn't feel like her damage to individual targets was particularly high. Drow crits for 1000 with only a couple items, Dusa with a nearly full inventory was barely making 750.

    If Weaver's strong suit isn't autoattacking, what is it? Besides being a pest.
    Dusa has nothing to increase her rightclick damage, why did you think she would do more damage than drow without rapiers?
    Medusas playstyle is to farm 60 minutes until she has 6 slots (and 2 of those slots are rapiers) and then you just a-click down middle lane and nobody can stop you because you have 10k EHP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everything Nice View Post
    Oh, and I've been wondering for a while. What heroes are supposed to carry Shadowblade? Because that item is just too much fun
    All of them?

    Except Bounty Hunter, because that fun was nerfed.



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    10k EHP as Medusa is not enough.

    Also, you guys get into the dumbest arguments, I have to point out.

    Also, Hanna, shadow blade is like dashes in English - you don't use them unless you really, really know how to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidulgaa View Post
    Dusa has nothing to increase her rightclick damage, why did you think she would do more damage than drow without rapiers?
    Medusas playstyle is to farm 60 minutes until she has 6 slots (and 2 of those slots are rapiers) and then you just a-click down middle lane and nobody can stop you because you have 10k EHP
    I dunno. I guess I just expected more out of having that many items. It just seems like, why pick Medusa when there are other carries that push well and are reasonably hard to kill, but become dangerous much sooner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    I guess I'll just agree to disagree with you, then. I doubt either of us are going to change our mind

    Maybe we can agree Troll's ulti is bullshit?
    Indeed, a tip of the hat to you, sir.

    And I think I've only really played a few games with troll in it since he came out, and I don't recall the ult being too noticeable, though I suppose it's presence would be much apparent if applied to a void as he chronos, or sven about to go rampaging on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    I dunno. I guess I just expected more out of having that many items. It just seems like, why pick Medusa when there are other carries that push well and are reasonably hard to kill, but become dangerous much sooner?
    She's not for pubs. You pick her in an organized team where she's played by someone who has godly farming skills and is backed up by a team that can stall for 50 minutes and then she wins the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underskilled View Post
    Indeed, a tip of the hat to you, sir.

    And I think I've only really played a few games with troll in it since he came out, and I don't recall the ult being too noticeable, though I suppose it's presence would be much apparent if applied to a void as he chronos, or sven about to go rampaging on you.
    I've seen the most impact with it vs towers and such. If you can force the enemy to back off for a few seconds to take a few shots at a tower, your team can use their combined DPS with that 160 IAS to just obliterate a tower in a few seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    I've seen the most impact with it vs towers and such. If you can force the enemy to back off for a few seconds to take a few shots at a tower, your team can use their combined DPS with that 160 IAS to just obliterate a tower in a few seconds.
    I'd love to see it combined with a hero that would really get the most out of it, like Tiny, for example. Heck, I could almost see Tiny skipping some attack speed items, and going for pure damage, simply because of the buff troll's ult gives, on such a low cooldown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    I've seen the most impact with it vs towers and such. If you can force the enemy to back off for a few seconds to take a few shots at a tower, your team can use their combined DPS with that 160 IAS to just obliterate a tower in a few seconds.
    Get KotL or shaker, the constant threat of illuminate and fissure is gonna make them think twice about doing such stuff.

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