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    Is there a way to practice teamfighting?

    Teamfighting is usually the most hectic part in a game of Dota and I've reached a point where I understand the focus points of Dota, such as laning, ganking, supporting, farming - all that stuff (Always new stuff to learn I know, but I have reached ~600 games now and feel pretty confident in most stages of the game). I also know all the heroes inside out and I know what to expect coming from them during engagements, big and small.

    I also usually stack with 3-5 people in SD/RD (And sometimes CM).

    And here's where it gets problematic. I feel as if the parts of the game where me (and my stack friends) screw up really badly is during teamfights. We see the enemy team pushing into a lane, or going into Rosh pit or something along those lines and everyone immediately pings and cries "Go go teamfight teamfight" and then everyone kinda just runs in a do their own thing.

    Of course people have a sense of what they're supposed to do, if you're a Tidehunter you want to get your ravage off on as many people as possible, or at least a few key targets or if you have an Orchid you might want to immediately be silencing the enemy QoP or Magnus or Dark Seer or something like that. Unfortunately, teamfights are everchanging as they unfold and I just feel like we screw up a lot because we dive in with one goal in mind and then fail to regroup/recoordinate to a different target, if something didn't go as expected during the initiation.

    I understand that it's a matter of practice and experience (Along with reaction times), but I really want to make an improvement on things. So far I've been asking my buddies to watch replies with me, usually the ones where we dominate the laning phase and subsequently get obliterated during mid-game teamfights so we can see what happens and discuss where things go wrong. Unfortunately not much seems to change. I'm by no means a professional player, nor do I intend to compete as one, but I'm just getting annoyed failing at the same thing over and over.

  2. #7522
    Quote Originally Posted by Varix View Post
    Is there a way to practice teamfighting?
    Learn from every team fight that doesn't go your way. Why did you lose it? Why did you think you could win it? That's all you can do. Watch some streams if you have time of pros. See how they engage and fight. Try to learn from it. It is all about experience and learning from your mistakes. You have to know how strong the enemy is and if you can kill them.

    As for regrouping to a different target. If all your mates can play the game, you shouldn't really need to talk much when switching targets and when choosing targets. When you team fight, you nee dto know what your team mates are capable of and what spells they can use and on what heroes they will use it on. This will allow you to play your hero to its full potential.

    And don't play rambo Dota. If one of you gets caught out, maybe you shouldn't all follow and try to save him. Know when to back off.

    Feel free to link replays so people in this thread can watch. Then we can probably give you better tips and tricks.
    Last edited by Ariadne; 2013-04-20 at 04:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermanni View Post
    http://blog.dota2.com/2013/04/your-new-wingman/

    Looks like they will start handing out chat bans to players who are abusive in chat.
    I got one!

    Me getting one has to one of the most damn frustrating things I've had happen to me so far. I have no idea why I got one. I haven't been foul or anything of the sort and I'm just left stumped. It's left me seriously peeved off to say the least.

    If anything it's made me reluctant to ever speak again in a game that isn't "missing" etc etc. I'm left feeling confused as to what I could've said that could've gotten me banned.

    The worst part is that even "Y + direction" commands don't work so you can't call missing which directly damages other players who haven't been chat banned.

    Does anybody know the reports are handled and if there's a way to inquire into your bans? I'm currently mythed as to how this has happened.
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  4. #7524
    Any tips on how to get past the (extremely infuriating) tutorial for DotA2? I'm starting to get really annoyed by Razor being killed by minions because he spawns as soon as the tutorial starts(instead of only being there for the "cinematic"), which bugs the ending(?).
    Basically when I get to the watchtower and have to kill the 3 creeps, Razor is just standing there, getting murdered by my creeps(and accidental damage from my fire breath). If I proceed, he just gets killed again and again whenever he spawns, which messes with the later parts of the tutorial where I have to last hit to "get gold" for items I've already bought.
    Then when I get to level 6 and the game tells me to pop my ulti and kill Razor, he never gets to any part of the map I can even access.

  5. #7525
    Quote Originally Posted by wynnyelle View Post
    Ouch, that is a shitty situation right there. Your League friends are like a lot of League players, I think. I have some friends who are like that too and it really sucks. I'd offer to play with you myself, but I"m still really new and am gradually still learning so I wouldn't want to hold you back. Good luck though! Don't be discouraged. It sounds like you just had a bad day.
    Usually because league is an easier game to get into, since it has a few simplistic mechanics that are easy to understand. The game is getting stale pretty fast though. It was easier for me to get back to DOTA, especially since I played the original DOTA between 2006-2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drathos View Post
    Any tips on how to get past the (extremely infuriating) tutorial for DotA2? I'm starting to get really annoyed by Razor being killed by minions because he spawns as soon as the tutorial starts(instead of only being there for the "cinematic"), which bugs the ending(?).
    Basically when I get to the watchtower and have to kill the 3 creeps, Razor is just standing there, getting murdered by my creeps(and accidental damage from my fire breath). If I proceed, he just gets killed again and again whenever he spawns, which messes with the later parts of the tutorial where I have to last hit to "get gold" for items I've already bought.
    Then when I get to level 6 and the game tells me to pop my ulti and kill Razor, he never gets to any part of the map I can even access.
    Killing razor ends the tutorial, and all you really do to him is right click and watch him die, so it doesn't actually matter from a learning perspective. I have no idea how to fix it though.

  7. #7527
    Quote Originally Posted by Varix View Post
    Is there a way to practice teamfighting?
    The easiest way is to assign your duty before combat, then its just a matter of execution and review whats wrong after each failed clash. It might turn into blaming game sometimes, but if you are good friends it shouldnt last to the next clash. That was how we did.

  8. #7528
    Gotta hand it to Valve for the most ridiculous report system I've seen to date, this is some HoN level bullshit.



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  9. #7529
    Chat banned twice already trololol
    Glad the community is cleansed of my team direction, now people just have to watch my pings and pray they can guess the difference between engage and run for it.
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    Yeah the chat ban is stupid, i got one and played a couple games after that and it is almost impossible to play with pubs at that point. I guess i deserved it i have no idea, im never down right offensive. I hope this doesnt turn out to be like LoL, where you get reported for the most minor shit, i kind of like a bitch of banter between teams, it adds to the experience for me.

  11. #7531
    From what we understand it's pretty much automated, like, if you do what I do and say "You get NOTHING, good day sir." in all chat when you culling blade someone and the enemy team is just having such a bad day that all 5 of them report you for abusive language you can get instantly chat banned just that fast.
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  12. #7532
    So it appears I can get scolded for bringing me teammates and enemies' parentage into question? Not fun
    Sure as sure

  13. #7533
    hey everybody, i started playing dota 2 a few days ago and wanted to ask a short question. I like playing Viper (and also Venomancer which is kind of the same) and normally go for Ring of Basilius first for the mana reg. After that its Power threads and then shadow blade so i can easily open on someone with ulti.

    Is that an OK build? And normally the game is won/lost up until that point but what should i go for next in line? I normally go for mjollnir after that.

    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by hastilavista View Post
    hey everybody, i started playing dota 2 a few days ago and wanted to ask a short question. I like playing Viper (and also Venomancer which is kind of the same) and normally go for Ring of Basilius first for the mana reg. After that its Power threads and then shadow blade so i can easily open on someone with ulti.

    Is that an OK build? And normally the game is won/lost up until that point but what should i go for next in line? I normally go for mjollnir after that.

    Thanks in advance
    Basilius is always good item but don't buy it from start. You need regenration items and some branches for extra HP and mana. Treads is fine. Shadow Blade is also fine. However, Venomancer is usually played as a support in higher tier games which means you should be buying chicken and wards throughout the game. Don't expect to get any big items if you play support. Boots, wand and bracer is usually what you can be happy with.

    Mjollnir is bad on both those heroes. Its main purpose is for farming and those two heroes don't need to farm that much. I also don't think Mjollnir works with Viper's first skill, which is an orb effect I think.

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    Medic Panda, now this is a hilarious idea


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariadne View Post
    Basilius is always good item but don't buy it from start. You need regenration items and some branches for extra HP and mana. Treads is fine. Shadow Blade is also fine. However, Venomancer is usually played as a support in higher tier games which means you should be buying chicken and wards throughout the game. Don't expect to get any big items if you play support. Boots, wand and bracer is usually what you can be happy with.

    Mjollnir is bad on both those heroes. Its main purpose is for farming and those two heroes don't need to farm that much. I also don't think Mjollnir works with Viper's first skill, which is an orb effect I think.
    thanks for the input, i will give it a try

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Chat banned twice already trololol
    Glad the community is cleansed of my team direction, now people just have to watch my pings and pray they can guess the difference between engage and run for it.
    Yeah, even I got one. I had Void for the second AR game in a row, can't talk, Shadow Demon comes bot with me and starts autoattacking creeps and pushing the lane... can't even draw on the map, so I can't combine pings and lines to indicate that he should start pulling.

    I just abandoned the game. It really is just about impossible to play with pubs if you can't communicate.

    I dunno. This new system is definitely showing the downside to automated systems.
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    This new report system would be a bad idea even if it was remotely possible to get the manpower and administrative structure that would make reviewing each and every report viable, because dota is a team game, and I would rather have someone flaming everyone on the team for the slightest mistake, so that they could alert the team to something at a crucial moment, than have them be muted. Also, what's the deal with allowing people to ping? That's probably the single most annoying thing anyone can do.

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    Well from a new player perspective i can kind of see why they did it, when i first started people were raging at me. Now im the kind of person that would go google wtf 'feeding' etc was so i learned from it.
    One of my friends though that also started in the last week or so was so put off from the abuse he was getting in games that he didnt want to play online again at all.
    I know you need a thick skin to play these kind of games, but i cant blame valve for trying their best to not put off new players, since more players = more money.

    Personally i only report people if they really annoy me, like calling members noobs constantly without giving them any advice on what they should be doing instead.

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    I report pretty much anyone that's being a douchebag. If they can't be civil and friendly, they probably shouldn't talk at all. Of course, there's a difference between telling someone that Battle Fury is probably a bad idea on Void after their 12 minute Hand of Midas and going OMFG STUPID NOOB FEEDER, GET WRECKED KID, but most people won't differentiate.

    I know that my buddy almost certainly got chat-banned for a day because the enemy South American stack all chain-reported him and his two buddies (probably his entire team, but he was only queueing with two buddies) for... saying gg at the end of the game, I guess.

    EDIT: Obligatory "fuck Magnus." Watching G-1 League games and LGD's going to the LAN finals almost certainly because they had Magnus. Zenith would have a fight mostly going their way, then - nope, lol, blink RP while Anti-Mage with two Battle Furies cleaves everything to death.

    I'm sick of watching Magnus (and Nyx) ruin games at the comp level. Making pubs a joke is one thing, but when actual money is on the line... the hell is taking Icefrog so long?
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