CC on him is CC not on others, mission complete.
CC on him is CC not on others, mission complete.
This is why I play CM for the passive global taunt
All of you people need to get it through your thick skulls that "carry" does not mean "afk farming 800gpm Anti-Mage." It just means someone who is given XP and gold priority - your 1, your 2, and probably your 3. That's it. Leshrac can be a "carry." Sand King can be a "carry." Goddamned cunting Crystal Maiden can be a "carry." Role is not defined by anything other than gold and XP priority. How many fucking times do we have to fucking say that?
Abbadon's sole purpose in life is to be a colossal pain in the ass. He can't die, he's more immune to death than Leoric and equally as immune as Dragon Knight. You run up and whack people with Frostmourne and/or Sange and/or Orb of Venom and keep whacking them until they die, all the while giving a free permanent steroid to your team's real damage output and shitting aphotic shield blasts everywhere.
Every spell spent on Abbadon is a spell that isn't being spent on his team, and given that Abbadon CANNOT FUCKING DIE, is a "wasted" spell.
An instant purge versus a 12 second BKB with a 2 second effective cooldown. A heal for fuck all that only hits one target for garbage damage if used as a nuke, versus a heal for 360 that obliterates anything nearby. A move speed slow buff placer on a single target versus a permanent fucking [i]aura[i] that slows move AND attack speeds on everything in range. Personal invulnerability versus invulnerability for all teammates AND creeps in range.
Guess what? Fucking Omniknight is a better support than Abbadon could ever fucking hope to be, and he's still better played as a carry, because your Degen Aura or Frostmoure are doing precisely fuck-all if you're hiding in the back because you have no items and no gold.
Abbadon is at his best when he's up front, being a complete nuisance, and whacking people to death.
Literally the only reason you would ever pick Abbadon over Omniknight is if you can make effective use of Borrowed Time, and support Abbadon CANNOT FUCKING DO THAT.
Who the fuck cares if Dark Seer surges himself away? Guess what? HE'S RUNNING THE FUCK AWAY, BRO. Guess what someone that's RUNNING THE FUCK AWAY isn't doing? Fighting!
They have a tower? Fuck them, ignore the tower, you have death immunity. They have a lot of stuns? Fuck them, your death immunity doesn't give a flying rat fuck about stuns, or silences, or ensnares, or literally fucking anything, because Borrowed Time removes fucking everything, even motherfucking Doom when it activates. They have Axe? Who the fuck cares, Axe has to be level 16 before he can reliably kill you before you get SOME kind of healing off of your ulti, pushing you outside the kill threshold.
Seriously, it's like you don't fucking understand how ridiculously good Borrowed Time is, and how good it lets Abbadon be. People talk about Leoric not caring about dying, but Abbadon cares even less because he CAN'T die unless his team completely abandons him, and even if they do, if you aren't a fucking retard and have built Abbadon as a carry, he'll still probably bring someone down with him, 1v5 or not.
You're talking about Aphotic Shield as if by building Abbadon as a carry, he can't use it on teammates. He can, and he will because Abbadon himself has BORROWED TIME to stay alive with. Did you forget about that whole "When activated, most negative buffs will be removed" thing? BM ult, Magnus ult, BR ult, fucking Doom ult, ALL OF THAT SHIT is REMOVED when it activates, and it activates auto-fucking-matically if you happen to get close to dying, and it costs nothing, AND it has a 40 fucking second cooldown at level 16.
40 seconds. That means every 40 seconds, you can do whatever the fuck you want, utterly free of fear of reprisal, because you are guaranteed to not die. Push when the entire enemy team is missing, who gives a fuck, you can just walk the fuck away and they can't do shit about it, because you can't fucking die.
And consider: what the fuck is little scared bitch Anti-Mage or PL or whoever the fuck is trendy right now, I can't be bothered to give two shits, gonna do when it's 20 minutes in and you're pushing the fuck out of towers because you're motherfucking Abbadon and fucking towers mean nothing to your studly ass? Cry OP? Sure, Anti-Mage is going to fold you like a cheap plastic chair at 45 minutes in, but you aren't going to let the game go to 45 minutes because you're fucking Abbadon and you aren't retarded and you're playing to the hero's strengths rather than his "I'm not actually Omniknight" weaknesses.
Shit, go into his fucking jungle and take it over. What's he gonna do, fight back? Hah! You can't die, remember? But he sure as fuck can if he thinks he can fight you. Shit, even Ursa might not be able to take Abbadon, and Ursa's a better carry than virtually every other trending pick except maybe, like, Alchemist or something.
But where was I? Oh, right - just because you're being a big, manly carry Abbadon doesn't mean you somehow lose the ability to cast your shield on teammates. It has a 6 fucking second cooldown. Who the shit cares, throw it around like crazy. Throw it on yourself when you run in. After the enemy team wastes its shit on you (remember, it's all wasted because YOU CANNOT FUCKING DIE, I can't stress that part enough), the cooldown's up and you can throw it at your teammates or creeps or fucking donkey because, hey, they just used their best shit just trying to keep you from lighting up that asshole Jakiro trying to hide in the back, and anything they have left or coming off cooldown... well, they can let you kill someone, or they can use it on your teammates, get it removed, and let you kill someone anyway.
Stop fucking playing Abbadon as a support. He's a garbage support. If you want him to be a little ward bitch support, at least pick Omniknight because Omni is better at that sort of thing.
Abaddon is a better support than Omni in the first 5-15 minutes of the game in most situations, and not too long after that he becomes quite redundant. Unless you essentially win the game in 15-20 minutes or start farming for real by the mid game your hero falls off faster than almost any other support.
If i remember correctly, this shield can even remove flame lasso, so if enemy has only 1 hero to initiate he can be very helpful. But Abbadon as a carry? I haven't seen it for very very long time. Well, if you don't count these 60:10 games where even CM has BKB, aghs and blink.
He has no skills to scale with items, just attacks, it's stupid to call him a carry because he can' be killed. The hell, i call Dazzle carry then, he has heal, death immunity, slow+ministun and armor boost/repelent
Also, his (Abbadon) counters are very niche picks (axe and slark) so he can be cool about being 1-shotted. But again, all his presence in teamfights is purging shields, MS boost and weak heal.
And the thing about his ultimate is that he can't control it all the time. Yes, you can use it to purge from yourself CC but then you can't save your ass (if it is needed). But on other side, if getting rid of this CC will secure the teamfight, you won't even need to stay alive. And your enemy have an option to pop it on you prematurely to be sure that you won't be getting away in next 40 seconds.
Originally Posted by Urban Dictionary
its because if you trilane (esp offensive) your supports will be underleveled like hell
unless the game ends at 15 minutes, i would say that the time after 15 minutes does matter
Support in pub games:
Your team won, you get no recognizion.
Your team lost, you get all the blame.
And people wonder why supports are rare?
Worst thing in the entire game is to be the only support on your team, all your gold used on wards and courier, unless you get assist kills you're basically gonna end up being a free kill for the enemy team. So much fun being level 13 with brown boots and magic wand.
Honestly unless your team has 2 supports you almost shouldn't bother, it's such a unrewarding playstyle and it's HARD to do well.
Saying you need an attack steroid skill to be a carry is downright ridiculous. And saying Abaddon has none is even more so. Even if you don't consider the spammable CC dispels and heals from shield and BT to be 'carry' traits, you'll still have to consider that Abaddon has good base MS, great attack animation, 40 IAS from Frostmourne, 20% Slow and 15% MS boost on top of his great base. More things to make you stick to your target than most melee carries can say. And 40 IAS isn't a joke, a lot of strength carries suffer from not getting enough IAS into their builds early.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Frostmourne is not his steroid - it's more like a team-wide buff, which you can (and should) apply even if you play Abaddon as a poor support with nothing but brown boots and sticks.
A little song for us supports, and also us who enjoy CM (and a little puck :P):
Your lord is under attack! Your lord is under attack!
Your ability to actually be in the middle of a fight as an underfarmed, underleveled support is much more limited than that of a carry Abaddon, and when you don't actually deal damage you're also putting yourself at a considerable risk just to apply Frostmourne. You may still not die easily, but your ability to stay in the fight and avoid CC will be reduced greatly. When you're support, the decision on whether or not your should be in the middle of a fight may not be an easy one, but when you're carry it will be almost impossible to go wrong.
My choice of words was bad - Frostmourne is a steroid for a carry Abaddon, no doubt. My point is that a support Abaddon can provide it just as well, which means you can't just say "well, Abaddon has Frostmourne (steroid), hence he's a good carry", which you kinda implied in your previous post.
As for the second part of your post - that's true, but like Lysah says, every CC and damage soaked by Abaddon = less CC and damage soaked by his team and I think it's a lot better if your tank is one of your supports, which lets real damage dealers (like AM, Gyro, Sven, Luna or anything else that can beat the crap out of the entire team if left alone in a team fight), well, deal damage.
Anyway, I'm not trying to argue on how Abaddon should be played. I'm totally cool with even CM being played as a carry if that results in a won game. Just arguing about semantics, I guess.
You can't be a 'tank' without being a threat. As a lowly support you run in, eat a single CC and some AoE, your BT pops, and now you have to either make a stand or run for it. And as a melee you just become collateral damage when you sit on top of all your real damage dealers. Or if you stay apart from other heroes, you can just be ignored. Your enemy need to be afraid that you're going to cleave someone in half if they don't do anything about just you. If you're not dangerous by yourself, you risk either getting ignored or succumbing to every AoE ability your enemy has.
Even if you can somehow force the enemy to toss a Primal Roar at you as a support, which would be a pretty good job, it would probably still be end of the front line fighting for you because you probably took enough damage to pop your BT which means you'll either run or die in a few seconds. As a carry you can just continue charging the enemy and they will be forced to throw even more stuff at you or get cleaved in half.
And I can still say that Abaddon has Frostmourne which is part of what makes him a good carry. Shield is part what makes him a decent support, Frostmourne is rather weak for a support role ability. A bit like support Omniknight - Heal, Repel and GA make him a good support, but Degen Aura is slightly out of place in a support toolkit.
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Also, do you realize that I exaggerated when I said "poor support with only brown boots and sticks"? Pretty sure that even when playing as a support, it's possible to find a bit of gold here and there to get a shield and some strength if Abaddon is expected to debuff people in team fights.
But then again, I'm not quite as obsessed with Lothar's as Lysah is
Besides, brown boots and stick aren't all that unlikely for 20 minute items if you're the only support in your team.
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