Last edited by Ariadne; 2014-03-25 at 02:54 PM.
I understand that's it's hard to ward when the other team has total map control and you are getting dominated but in non-stomp game it's not that hard. You need to ward with an objective. Suicide warding is fine if it's a crucial spot you need to cover but if it's a suicide ward then maybe don't ask your team to come with you. The only times I feel you need teammates to cover you is when you want aggressive wards.
The way people ward shows how much knowledge they have about the game. And guess what? I can always tell if a guy is a bad support by just watching how he wards, it never surprises me.
You playing against a TB or Naga? Maybe ward your own woods and its entrance points because he is going to take over it once he is strong enough. People don't do that though and they continue to ward rune spots and Roshan pits and stuff. Playing with a Tinker? Get a mid ward up so he can spam Rockets once he has BoTs and defend your mid tower without having to risk his life by getting jumped on. Playing against Radiant SF? Try getting a ward that sees when he goes for the neutrals. Got a good lead? Offensive wards so your team can take over their jungle and farm it. If you don't ward they can't do that and your lead may just slip away very quickly.
It's all about understanding the game, the heroes you are facing and playing with and the flow of the game and what you want to do. The understanding of these things shows in your warding.
Your question about getting ganked along the way? Why can they see you? Because they got wards up. You reduce the chance of getting ganked drastically if you have wards up yourself so you can see where their gankers are. You also reduce the chance to die if you know where their wards are and avoid running through them. That's also one of the things that separates good from bad supports. Good supports notice when enemy ward in vision, bad supports don't.
Suicide warding is never fine, because you will have your ward destroyed in next half of a minute. And it sucks to be melee solo support because you literally can't deward on HG
If I'm playing with friends, or with people who actually use the wards, yes, I will ward the hell out of that map. But when it comes down to it, usually a mek is more useful on a team that just ignores wards anyway, or doesn't help place them.
Also they don't even need wards up, it could just be an invis Riki roaming around, but I'm assuming I should also have dust to randomly pop if I'm feeling lucky to reveal someone right? Honestly I'm not a great player, but it's just the right way to work the game in my opinion by running with one support.
No one will say "wth, need wards" if there are wards up. If they stay that they are just retards and you know it and just ping on the ward and do a "?".
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What I meant by suicide warding is going into a risky place where you might very well end up killed but if you manage to get the ward up then you get a huge advantage. It's not about warding in vision. Sometimes you see pro support run alone into enemy woods and put a ward down. Obviously if he is caught he doesn't put it down.
Last edited by Ariadne; 2014-03-26 at 04:03 AM.
Tis why I don't play Support.
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Clearly my fault.
I like to support, and i think the only time it really sucks to be solo support (which is annoying as hell sometimes) is if they have a good double support that counter wards. Then you inevitably will have a map with no wards at some point.
Ive won a lot of support matches of late, even one where our sf mid started 0-8 lol
When you cried I'd wipe away all of your tears
When you'd scream I'd fight away all of your fears
And I held your hand through all of these years
Difference being you are at 5k + rating, most people are not.
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Difference? The difference is I can tell if a guy is a low MMR support by just seeing how many excuses he makes for not having wards up. Is this a coincidence?
Do note that what I've said in this thread is just the basic support play. I could go on about the thousands of mistakes supports make in general but that'd just be superfluous 'cause they can't even get the basics right.
I don't play support "right". I just play it good enough to not get flamed by the ones I'm supposed to support.
Last edited by Ariadne; 2014-03-26 at 03:38 PM.
I'd like to think I'm a decent support, since my two highest win percentages are on Witch Doctor and Crystal Maiden, I will ward, I think you misunderstood what I meant in the first place, I don't refuse to ward for no reason, it's when people start flaming for you not having arcane boots yet or something silly, when you simply can't afford it because the game has only been going for 15 minutes and someone has to keep the wards up.
And like Puffler said, supporting not hard. What is hard is getting your team mates to actually have a higher IQ than a potato.
I understand that in the trench people will flame you for anything but that applies to all roles, as you showed with your PA and OD example. How is that relevant to what I've been saying about supports? Furthermore, f you are in the trench do you really think I wouldn't see quite a lot of mistakes you make as support? And do you think those mistakes are because you are solo supporting?