deso works on buildings
Anyway, the point about desolator isn't that it's a bad item, it's that it's a bad item for furion. That 4k gold is the larger part of guinsoos which is way more helpful in a team fight. If you're looking to do damage and stay alive, lothar's is better. If you're looking to support your team and really thought a -6 armor orb was the best bet, 1k gold is medallion and the other 3k gold can go to mek or vlads or pipe or any number of other items that are better for supporting and will keep you alive. Desolator is JUST DAMAGE, that's it, and furion is way too easily killed to be stacking nothing but DPS. He's no Rikimaru, and even SA has to get BKB to survive in a "real game."
You do the typical pub furion thing and go midas > desolator > buriza, lina ults you and you're out of the team fight. And that's 10k gold your team could've used. I find furion absurdly OP if he builds real items like guinsoos and ganks all the time, but so many public players are just downright awful and afk in the jungle for 30 minutes only to produce no item of actual value and end up feeding.
Last edited by Lysah; 2012-07-07 at 11:00 PM.
The only downside of a playing on a US server (for me) is the huge difference in timezones: lower queues in the morning, higher in the evening. I almost always get ~5 min queues at night, and I tend to get bored of long queues, ending up playing on the russian-fest that is the EU server. Ahhh russians! Gotta love 'em! Heh, I guess sometimes even russians don't want to play with russians sice every once in a while you can find one sneaking into a US server :P
at first, I've seen very good Russian players in my games. While everyone was bashing them I thought people were over-reacting because of language thingy. But now I've noticed that they refuse to communicate, co-operate and they play shit and I can't explain the annoyance they caused last to me few months in games. If Valve force them to play in their own server, I'll be glad.
The game I referred to had only one carry on each team. I was on dire, jungling as Enigma. The Kunkka (the carry in my team) was top, together with another hero. The carry virtually didn't waste time ganking as I was the one who came to them out of the woods. They were losing the lane so indeed he was somewhat underfed. You can argue that they were simply bad players, or whatever, but you can't always expect things to go as planned, especially in pub games. (On a side note, this Kunkka is one of my best friends and I consider him to be a better player than me.) So I tried to help, gank, and get our carry fed, however, I got ~5 of the kills with my abilities. I didn't need the money, as I had been jungling and would receive my blink/bkb regardless of the ganks. Watching back, this was probably one of the games where we needed that edge, and I screwed up. One could argue that five kills is not THAT much gold, but keep in mind that receiving this amount of additional gold early on gets you your items quicker, allowing for better and easier farm, thus receiving more gold in the long run, too. (Consider it some sort of snowball effect.)
So if you dislike Deso on him, then I will respect your opinion, but for me this build works perfectly fine as a complete pubstomper, so I'm holding on to it for now anyway.
Last edited by conceit2; 2012-07-08 at 01:15 AM.
And they NW on cooldown to push the lanes out and ruin all 4 of their allies' farm. <3 pubfurion
Orchid is a good item, and deso following it is fine for a simple reason - the silence from orchid is defensive as well as offensive. What's the leshrac you teleported on top of going to do when silenced. The problem I have with deso as a furion item is that most players get nothing defensive to accompany it.
He literally was just spamming chat with it all game. /sigh
And they wonder why we hate them
Just watched group stage game of The Defense between Na'Vi and mTw...Great game. I suggest every DotA2 player to watch.
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Okay, they very rarely "ban" people (for all I know he just got a two hour debuff or something). Still, would be nicer to know who it was and what they actually did, I have 14 reports and all of them were very, very well deserved. Oh well, a little hope remains I guess.
Played against a Tiny-ES-VS-Lion-Leoric team today and god is stun spam cheesy as fuck. We were eventually able to afford BKBs, but VS (who went carry rather than support) was farmed as fuck by that point so she could really just right-click us down. And since ES and Tiny both had blink, we had to dump a lot of money on wards, and once ES started carrying a gem around...
Swear to god I thought I was playing WoW for a little while there - stunned, stunned, stunned, stunned, dead.
I'm of the conviction that all Storm Bolt stuns need to be removed from the game or retuned to be skill shots. It's way too fucking cheesy to click someone and grats, collect your gold.
Honestly, its only a problem if they are a team like that, and even then only one person on your team is stunlocked.
Then again, I don't think LoL has a BKB clone, and BKB requires a lot more skill since it's an ability that has to be activated before you're affected, rather than a passive which is always active.
I dunno. I just think disable spam is pretty lame. They got a double kill right off the bat because they were all together and basically just spammed stuns until both of our guys in the lane died. It happened at like 00:15 so we weren't sure if they were trying to block creeps, were warding, or what. I wasn't about to run across the river to check, not with that many stuns.
The entire reason we lost is because there was simply no way we could deal with so many disables just being spammed at us on top of the burst damage. Me as semi-carry WR and our two supports (Bane and CM) would literally die before the stuns ended due to how much burst Tiny has in the early game (especially when he's guaranteed to get a Toss due to a stormbolt stun from someone else, which did plenty of damage on its own!) and with our supports dead, they could eventually pick apart our CK and Bloodseeker. We started winning as many fights as we lost once we had BKBs on me, CK, and BS, but by time that happened they'd already gotten all the farm they needed to finish us off (VS had her deso, Tiny and ES had their blink, and Lion had finished Mek and was working on Agh's.)