Reading through a Reddit discussion, and it occurs to me that Maelstrom/Mjollnir might actually be pretty good on Sven, if you aren't building him as a carry.
See, I think there are better choices as a carry. CK has the stun and can't really be kited (and his ulti's effectively way more damage than Sven's) and Skeleton King is pretty much immortal if you play him right, and gets free crit and lifesteal.
But Sven gets a massive armor buff that affects creeps, and free cleave, in addition to his great stats and his ultimate. It means Sven's amazingly good at pushing down towers, though certainly he isn't top tier (but then again, you aren't gonna see Sven banned, either.)
And Maelstrom/Mjollnir is one of those items that isn't really core or standard on anyone, but can be useful to almost anyone (Zeus with Mjollnir is amusing as hell.)
But Mjollnir is the best single-slot IAS item in the game, and the chain lightning works well with cleaves. Additionally, it only functions as a UAM when the chain lightning procs, which means it doesn't completely rule out other UAM items.
I'm thinking of a build something like:
- Leave base with consumables and 3 branches.
- Boots as first item so you can get first blood/early kills.
- Finish Magic Wand when it seems appropriate.
- Buy Helm of Iron Will from side shop.
- Finish Phase Boots (if you need the movement speed.)
- Buy Mithril Hammer, then buy Ogre Axe.
- If needed, finish Black King Bar. If you don't need it, finish Maelstrom (enemies will see Hammer+Axe and assume BKB, you can surprise them by getting Maelstrom.)
- Finish Armlet of Mordiggian, Black King Bar, or Mjollnir as needed.
Basically, the idea is that you have Wand+Helmet for your early and mid-game sustain. The armor lets you be a little more aggressive and the wand will help you make sure you always have mana for a stun. Starting with a shield and turning it into Vanguard is another option. You could also start with 2x Gauntlets and go for 2x Bracer, but I'm trying to streamline this as much as possible.
I prefer Phase Boots to Treads. The stats from Treads are nice, but I get a lot more kills by chasing someone trying to run and landing the stun that lets my team catch up than by right-clicking people down. Also gives you more mobility, making roaming (which, IMO, is Sven's post lvl 6 role) easier. If you don't need the speed, I'd just leave them as basic boots and get Boots of Travel in the late game for better pushing.
Start with the Mithril Hammer. You're Sven, they're gonna assume it's a BKB. I'd also recommend the Ogre Axe for the extra STR, but I don't think it's necessary unless you really ARE beelining for BKB. Then you make Maelstrom or BKB depending on what you need - it's why I go for the hammer first, because you don't want to show your hand until after you finish one or the other (either you finish BKB and oh christ Sven's eating us or you finish Maelstrom and oh christ Sven's eating our tower.) You'll probably want both before you go for other stuff, though.
After that, I'm thinking you have choices. Armlet's usually a mid game item and not a late game item (you could probably alter the item order), but it's always good on Sven, especially since his ulti benefits from Armlet's STR boost. Mjollnir is the logical progression from Maelstrom, since once you finish Maelstrom you should be a farming/pushing machine; Assault Cuirass would be a better choice if your team isn't getting one already. Boots of Travel would be great for split pushing; otherwise you could probably just carry a TP scroll.
The general idea is that you'd push in with a creep wave, with your buffs and huge cleave damage basically obliterating the enemy creep waves before they can do much to yours. I'm pretty sure that after you get Hyperstone/Armlet, you could probably pop ulti and backdoor towers. With high HP and +17 armor from shout+armlet, the tower probably wouldn't do much to you before it dies.
I'm wondering about an early Orb of Venom for Sven. Helps him stick, disables things like Blink Dagger, gives your team an extra (minor) slow, and it's cheap. Just sucks that it doesn't build into anything but Skadi so it'd be "wasted" gold.
if only all the idiot russians would go to their shitty russian server and stay there and not ruin the games for everyone, it would be such a great world.
Also, steam won't let me access the survey again would appreciate a question list.
On topic- Was kind of hoping to see a bit more about my call on the Battle Fury for Sven. Though it worked well on the Brewmaster too, I just haven't gotten around to seeing if it still works well- I kinda don't like Brew's ulty mainly because i"m not good at micro managing.
What I'd like to do for sven is: Basic Boots -> Battle fury -> advanced boots (tread/phase)-> crit stick -> MoM (for controllable burst with Ulty). Survive ability item purchased around time of boots- probably Shield, can also do armlet before battle fury for ealy damage gain while farming up BF.
Mjollnir's Static Shield is also a very hard counter to an enemy Radiance, since Radiance burn can proc it (and it's a 200 dmg nuke to the enemy team every time it procs.)
Maelstrom/Mjollnir are definitely pretty good on Sven. Unfortunately they won't help you stop a rax after your Pudge and (carry, lol) Venomancer try to save BH after he runs into a 5v1 at rosh.
---------- Post added 2012-07-19 at 12:35 PM ----------
Fuck yeah! Had a game as Rubick where the other team was intelligent and went for me first. Spent the entire game piss poor and get bitched at by our Pudge for having no items. Took me 20 minutes to get boots because I had to spend almost 1k on TP scrolls just to avoid our lanes from feeding.
We're up against QoP, Razor, Riki, Shadowfiend, and fuck if I can remember the last one, I guess he wasn't important. I tell Pudge several times to get Pipe - he already has Hood, so just finish the Pipe because we're getting constantly shit on by qop and sf ulti and razor's plasma ring. He never gets it and also continues whining about our team constantly dying all the time.
Later he's whining about Riki right-clicking people into the ground (I think Riki had, like, Daedalus, Hyperstone, and I think he had at least Yasha) and yet he never gets Blademail to counter it.
He rages at me for not stealing Smoke Bomb (protip: immediately after he Smoke Bombs, Riki Blink Strikes to me so I couldn't steal it even if I wanted to), for not stealing QoP ulti (if she uses ulti, it's after she's blinked on top of me and I'm dead before I can make use of it), for not stealing SF ulti (dead before I can use it.)
Basically, he plays like shit but places all the blame on his teammates. Yeah, we had a completely worthless Lone Druid and our Bloodseeker wasn't much better. We had a pretty good Ogre Magi, but because neither of them are getting the items they need to be able to handle the enemy team's damage, they can't do anything, and I'm unable to do much because I die so quickly... because my idiot teammates have been feeding all damn game. Best part was when Pudge (judging by how horrifically awkward he sounded while trying to cuss at me, I think he was autistic or something) was nearly screaming at me for not TK'ing Shadowfiend during his ulti... the same SF that had BKB active at the time.
Funny thing is, the handful of times we managed to cross the river without dying, I was involved every single time. I'm not saying I played perfectly, there were a few deaths where I know I made a mistake and it was completely my fault, but I just get irritated by asshats that insist they played perfectly and blame their team for everything.
Rubick's still a really fun hero, even if he IS pretty squishy. 1/12/17 ain't too bad, all things considered.
Last edited by PizzaSHARK; 2012-07-19 at 05:35 PM.
Not big on Slithice since her changes (replaced crit with tidal wave). Her ult is also a bit less broken, which is probably one of the biggest reasons she got picked...we will see how she fares in DotA2, but I pretty much never saw her played after her revamp in 1.