On Abaddon I normally go
Urn
Phase boots
sange-halberd
MoM
Basher-abys
Crystal-daedalus
If you have alot of hardhitters on the team I dont upgrade sange/crystal/basher and just swap urn for heart after i get those.
Yes, that's the other common sloppy argument in these discussions, 'why not give that farm to a hero that needs it more?' There's no point working on an assumption that your team is always going to have an Anti-Mage who is going to need all the farm on the map. And even if you have a hero that is usually better suited as the primary carry you're still going to want to have at least one secondary carry in most games.
Last edited by Hermanni; 2013-08-26 at 12:36 AM.
Manni | paragon.fi!
Just look at my poor Leoric game...roar/lasso/cogs/dead/dead a second time/dead a third time/team is all dead anyway because I'm the only one with items.
And there is no point working on an assumption that the team doesnt already have core slots filled either. If you have PL and then typical supports like jakiro and CM? sure, have the abba get the farm, but when you already have your core lineup pretty much done, there is no point in excessive farming. And lets be honest, pros arent gonna pick abba as farmer in anything but some rare pocket strats, just like we havent seen naga carry for months.
Does it even matter what pros do? How does that affect you when you play Dota2?
All the pros know how to do right now is throw their offlane away and send 2 supports to get their 1 carry in safe lane farmed. Of course Abaddon won't get picked in games like this, and that's what Longview was talking about, I believe (trilane Abaddon viability). I'm arguing how he should be played by most people, hey, like this game I just played:
http://dotabuff.com/matches/287286730
When you're discussing the capabilities of a single hero, making counter-intuitive assumptions serves no point. If you're going to run Abaddon as carry, you probably don't want to intentionally pick 2 other melees as hard carries. There's no reason to say 'well if you run this hero as carry instead of support you're fucking other carries over' when there's no reason to think there are other carries.
And what pros pick or do right now is completely irrelevant. Using drafting trends and the copycat scheme known as 'metagame' as an excuse is a joke.
Manni | paragon.fi!
just out of curiosity did Abaddon even get any representation at all in ti3? I don't agree with the notion that what the pros do shouldn't count, obviously the way pros treat a hero should be a nod to how you and I may want to consider treating him. This isn't a hard rule but if one is trying to recreate success would it not be wise to follow the successful?
Abaddon was not in Captain's Mode in Dota 2 until this week. Same goes to Centaur, TC and Troll.
Obviously it's not a bad idea to be aware of how things are done in competitive circles, but no one should do the mistake of thinking that is the end all be all of dota.
Last edited by Hermanni; 2013-08-26 at 04:54 AM.
Manni | paragon.fi!
Why would you? Repeating how pros play would be incredibly dangerous in most pubgames.
There are some overarching trends that make sense, like support Naga and fun tricks like pulling creepwave, but so much of what they do needs to be understood before you go ahead and try and repeat it.
Admittedly, a lot of stuff pros did in the past is now simply common knowledge. But some things are just strategies, like trilaning, that requires a bit more tact than "three dudes in a lane"
As an example, Lifestealer+Jakiro+Tidehunter trilane is good against a fair amount of lanes, I imagine. Solo Dark Seer is not one of them.