Computer Forum Chat Thread

[Asera]

Taxation is robbery.

it really needs to be overhauled and socialized in the US

Overhauled, sure. If by overhauled you mean completely scrapped and replaced with true free market (not this crony capitalist bullshit you see with myriads of regulations and rules keeping insurance costs up near $1000 a month).

Socialized? Ha. Good luck with that. Canada has socialized health care, I still have to pay for 3rd party health and dental insurance, and the service at hospitals (especially in Nova Scotia) is absolutely atrocious.

Everyone complains about all these problems with the system, and figure the solution to the system is making it bigger. It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

i read a study once that looked at the cost of different surgeries, on average, everything costs twice as much in the US except for lasic eye surgury

Yeah, but what are the wait times for these surgeries? Up here you have to wait months for some surgeries you can get same day in the US.

as many differences there are within the US between the smaller cultures, there are a few things that everyone here has in common, Americans in general hate paying taxes, that's why everyone is freaking out about this "fiscal cliff"

Personally I think anyone who doesn't hate paying taxes needs to get their head checked. Taxation is, essentially an entity forcibly taking money you earned without your consent, and punishing you if you refuse to be, essentially, robbed in this manner. Every service that's provided through taxation and government spending can easily be provided by a TRUE free market.

But to be frank, taxation amounts are far from being the actual problem you guys are having down there.

[Ghâzh]

also, in the US: Conservative = right wing/red/religious(Republicans), and Liberal = left wing/blue/secular(Democrats), (i thought i'd post that since i dont understand other countries political parties)

Yeh you sissy liberals (social liberalism).

Personally I think anyone who doesn't hate paying taxes needs to get their head checked. Taxation is, essentially an entity forcibly taking money you earned without your consent, and punishing you if you refuse to be, essentially, robbed in this manner. Every service that's provided through taxation and government spending can easily be provided by a TRUE free market.

If we had true free market a big partition of world population would just die. I'm not saying that's the worse thing to happen per se but are you willing to give a death sentence to millions of people who can't / aren't capable of caring for themselves?

[Cyanotical]

Taxation is robbery.

thats a pretty derp statement, your taxes essentially pay for your country to remain a country, they pay for roads, schools, police, firefighters, infrastructure, military defense, etc

they are a necessary part of any country

however, the mindset in the US is less more like "i dont want to pay any taxes, but i want social services too!!" rather than "i dont want to pay any more taxes than i have too for certain social services"

and actually, if you remove all insurance companies, and regulate healthcare cost, there is enough money in the US budget (by eliminating medicare and medicaid) to fully socialize healthcare with out raising taxes specifically for it and without changing much in terms of medical service

basically, you would go to work, and pay your normal taxes, and if you get sick, you just go to the doctor, you wouldn't have to worry about bills or who's policy covers what at whichever hospital

But to be frank, taxation amounts are far from being the actual problem you guys are having down there.

yeah, i have my ideas behind that, but i dont want this to get too heated

[noteworthynerd]

By the way, Black Friday! Who managed to get some sweet deals?

I suggested that my girlfriend take advantage of the 128GB OCZ Vertex 4 for $79.99 as my Christmas gift, which she did.

I personally spent way too much money on the Steam Autumn sale, but at least I picked up a majority of the games on my "Want to play" list (Borderlands 2, Dishonored, Chivalry, Ravaged, etc).

[Evil Inside]

No black friday here, so I was restricted to the steam sale, though I didnt have much cash to spend either way got into an accident last week so money is scarce atm. Very annoyed that I'm missing 50% off dishonored though.

[Naididae]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...rs_Report.html

[Cyanotical]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...rs_Report.html

i suspect this will be more targeted at the mobile market, however, if this is the case, enthusiasts will drop intel like a bad habit and go straight to AMD, even at a performance hit

whats worse is that computer enthusiasts in general carry grudges, so something like that happening and intel would lose that market permanently across the board
which is bad for them, as much as they don't want to admit it, first adopters and enthusiasts pay the bills around there

[Naididae]

Yeah, I think it makes more sense for laptops and mobiles, where they are trying to build more Market. It's just a rumour, so we'll have time to panic later =p

[Asera]

If we had true free market a big partition of world population would just die. I'm not saying that's the worse thing to happen per se but are you willing to give a death sentence to millions of people who can't / aren't capable of caring for themselves?

I guaranteed that big partition of the world population only has the illusion that they aren't capable of caring for themselves. It's a side effect of being handed everything for nothing at everyone's expense.

thats a pretty derp statement, your taxes essentially pay for your country to remain a country, they pay for roads, schools, police, firefighters, infrastructure, military defense, etc

they are a necessary part of any country

Let's pretend I said something to challenge this statement, and continue talking computer things because computer thread is about computers.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...rs_Report.html

Part of me wants to say this is probably a step in the right direction to reduce costs and form factor sizes. Another part of me fears budget enthusiast systems will go the way of the dinosaur.

[Drunkenvalley]

I guaranteed that big partition of the world population only has the illusion that they aren't capable of caring for themselves. It's a side effect of being handed everything for nothing at everyone's expense.

What exactly do you consider "caring for themselves"? Because I am of the impression you're setting a stupid low bar here.

[shroudster]

alright who else feels like they lost some brain cells in that intel to amd thread?

[DeltrusDisc]

Taxation when it goes to things that are good (socialized healthcare etc) IS GLOOOOOORIOUS.

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alright who else feels like they lost some brain cells in that intel to amd thread?

Careful now, this may be fun-stuff but there's still rules.

[DeltrusDisc]

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Yes, I suggest you cut this post and the topic, but if you really need to talk about it, take it to PMs. :P

[Cusco]

I guaranteed that big partition of the world population only has the illusion that they aren't capable of caring for themselves. It's a side effect of being handed everything for nothing at everyone's expense.

Absolutely everyone I know or have ever met who lives on some kind of benefit, be it due to unemployment or illness, have wished more than anything to get well, in the case of the sick, then get a job and start giving back to society. They've all shown that they do not enjoy living on other peoples money, rather the contrary. It's not likely that people with such a strong wish to get a job and give back, would also be fooled by a feeling that they're worse off than they are. It's contradictory. So I highly doubt what you've just written is true, I think it's nothing more than a prejudice.

[tetrisGOAT]

I agree with Cusco there. People don't want to be unemployed. They don't want too tell people that. They don't want to live with that hanging over themselves. However, just because they are willing to work doesn't mean. people can and will find work.

Everyone is eager to get out there and find self worth. That is well rooted in at least our society.

Complete bull argument imo.

[Drunkenvalley]

Etc

I wish I could throw upvotes at this post until it drowned. Well put, Cusco.

[DeltrusDisc]

I wish I could jump on the Cusco-loving-bandwagon too!

Oh wait I just did.

....

[Ghâzh]

I agree with Cusco there. People don't want to be unemployed. They don't want too tell people that. They don't want to live with that hanging over themselves. However, just because they are willing to work doesn't mean. people can and will find work.

Everyone is eager to get out there and find self worth. That is well rooted in at least our society.

Complete bull argument imo.

Maybe you haven't met that many long time unemployed people or young adults that have lived their whole life on the society's expense. There's those individuals that really have no intention of getting a job, no intention of doing any work for their lives, have extremely bad attitude and the most of all, are just ungrateful towards the help they get from the society.

It's just properly naive to think that "Everyone is eager to get out there and find self worth". And need I begin with the people who are incapable of any real work, do drugs or the incidents leading and starting from either of the two?

Edit; I realized shortly after posting that the described behavior could be national and can and partly is due to the incredibly "welfare" unemployment support we have here. Basically there are people in a position where they get paid the same or more doing nothing than getting an actual job. At least it doesn't encourage you to be active do you think?

[Drunkenvalley]

Ghâzh, your entire first paragraph is questionable. "There's those individuals"? What sort of measure is that? For all I know, that's a mass equal to how many win the freaking lottery. Of course they'll exist. So what? Are you trying to tell me we should slash benefits for everyone because some people are cunts?

[Ghâzh]

Well there isn't statistics pointing to either direction but in my opinion there's quite a lot (not majority but still enough to be considered) of those people. All I'm trying to tell you is you're really naive if you think that everyone wants to get a job and improve their situation. Singling out one definite solution for the problem is really hard as the problem is so national specific.

If you think back 50-60 years you'll notice that before the time of this overly far taken social support there wasn't so many freeloaders, not to the same extent as today at least. When you start carrying people trough the life, you give them an option not to work and leech on other's money. That just basically makes people passive and in long term hurts the society as a whole.