[Balance] Ultraxion Heroic

[Moogrum]

1) maybe i missed a post but when was "being a patchwork style fight" ever discussed? 0.o
2) Anything under 90% DoT uptime on this is pretty unacceptable so to say 75 - 90% is a little overexaggerated, if anything, because of fading light you want your DoT uptime to be as high as possible since your eclipses are getting staggered.
3)


Seems kinda hypocritcal don't you think


4) 4 months into the tier coming out, why are you clearing 4-7 times a week? 0.o do you really enjoy the instance that much? I can barely bare ONE alt run, and our main clear only takes 2.5 hours rofl.

1) It wasn't called a patchwerk fight but ultraxion is a horrible fight to base moonkin dps off of due to the constant interuptions, or lack there of. I was simply pointing out that it isnt a good fight to use as a measure of moonkin dps.

2) You WANT it high, but what you want and what you get aren't the same things. It was eplained why your dot time may fall low and in lower levels of gears it can happen, I have 3 druids that do to diff runs with diff buffs and get diff RNG and dot uptime does sometimes get bad, unless you are sugesting that you dot out of eclipse making it a 3 dot cycle, or predicting you are going to get boned with hardcasting to a new eclipse and dot before you leave.

3) I'm not sure if you are refering to the dumb part or the line after, I don't consider putting in a joke for a third option to be insulting, considering that one of the former options is the answer for everyone, and everyone knows it. The little message to the guy bashing the OP, I would call constructive critique. The message I meant for him to get out of that was be helpfull or gtfo. If you take what I said out of context and break it up and say I'm a hypocrit that's your call to make sir, and it has 0 impact on my emotions, so you think whatever it is you want to.

maybe i missed a post but

why are you clearing 4-7 times a week?

this is pretty unacceptable

is a little overexaggerated, if anything

OMG IT WASN'T OVEREXAGGERATED!!!!

4) I do many DS clears because I enjoy playing with my friends, it's what the game is meant for, playing online with other people. Some of them dont pvp, so i do pve stuff with them.

[Ant]

It is less about the fly time and more about the fact that the eclipse power isn't received until the spells hit the boss in balance. Besides, fly time does not effect dps for any other class after the first spell hits the boss. At that point it becomes linear.

Maybe it doesn't effect other classes as much, but I have noticed it helps make a slight difference as to the amount of wraths I have to crank out before Lunar finally hits. Personally I'd rather hit the eclipses quicker to help keep eclipsed dots up in case I am getting screwed over with fading light debuffs.

[Kestaa]

Unluckily he needs that gem to get to his next mastery breakpoint, a difficulty that I am pretty sure only boomkins have to deal with.

First of all, Im 99.99% sure that blizzard fixed the mastery breakpoints so that it now scales linearly. If you really want to argue it, from what I remember each mastery breakpoint is about 89/90 points apart to gain 1% damage in your eclipses.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Int > mastery always. I'm pretty sure that a 25 int 25 mastery would be better served. Like I said, I could be wrong and if so, please do correct me.

---------- Post added 2012-03-16 at 11:42 PM ----------

Read the logs, they glow, get bigger, and swing the same speed. 3 Treants effected for a duration of...... 0 seconds. Blust hasn't effected pets this expansion except Elementals.

Looks like elementals get no effect, wolves only?

I'm not sure if you just haven't really researched this, but you HAD to have pulled out your Treants after Lust / Hero was cast. Here are my logs from last weeks Ultraxion. Go to buffs gained. Exhaustion : 3. Meaning each one of my little trees got Heroism. :\

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-nu...?s=6294&e=6574

Just want to let you know, I just went and tested this on a dummy with a shaman to test the damage difference. Without heroism they did 77k damage. With heroism they did 94k, and they definitely did get the buff / grow / I targeted them and they had the heroism buff.

[chinobar]

I'm not sure if you just haven't really researched this, but you HAD to have pulled out your Treants after Lust / Hero was cast. Here are my logs from last weeks Ultraxion. Go to buffs gained. Exhaustion : 3. Meaning each one of my little trees got Heroism. :\

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-nu...?s=6294&e=6574

Just want to let you know, I just went and tested this on a dummy with a shaman to test the damage difference. Without heroism they did 77k damage. With heroism they did 94k, and they definitely did get the buff / grow / I targeted them and they had the heroism buff.

Under Buffs Gained

Name___Amount__Uptime
Heroism___3________0.0_0.0 %

Mark the uptime being 0.

[Batix]

No it's not. Period.

Ok, top secondary stat, Mr. Technical. Obviously Intellect & 17% Hit > Haste. But I thought that would be obvious.

[Skyepic]

First of all, Im 99.99% sure that blizzard fixed the mastery breakpoints so that it now scales linearly. If you really want to argue it, from what I remember each mastery breakpoint is about 89/90 points apart to gain 1% damage in your eclipses.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Int > mastery always. I'm pretty sure that a 25 int 25 mastery would be better served. Like I said, I could be wrong and if so, please do correct me.

---------- Post added 2012-03-16 at 11:42 PM ----------



I'm not sure if you just haven't really researched this, but you HAD to have pulled out your Treants after Lust / Hero was cast. Here are my logs from last weeks Ultraxion. Go to buffs gained. Exhaustion : 3. Meaning each one of my little trees got Heroism. :\

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-nu...?s=6294&e=6574

Just want to let you know, I just went and tested this on a dummy with a shaman to test the damage difference. Without heroism they did 77k damage. With heroism they did 94k, and they definitely did get the buff / grow / I targeted them and they had the heroism buff.

I am pretty sure as well to that they get the heroism buff but to be 100% sure, i'd say do the test again and count the number of melee swings (hits, crits, glancings etc.) Just noting the damage could mean they just happen to crit more or something. The amount of melee swings with a 30% haste buff should be a clear indicator on whether or not they are actually recieving the bloodlust.

---------- Post added 2012-03-18 at 05:01 PM ----------

Under Buffs Gained

Name___Amount__Uptime
Heroism___3________0.0_0.0 %

Mark the uptime being 0.

This could just be a bug with the combat log and tracking buffs on pets, or with WoL. So i wouldn't rule it out just cuz WoL doesn't track the uptime. I mean it did atleast register 3 heroism buffs for the treants, so this evidence could go either way honestly.

[Fojos]

This could just be a bug with the combat log and tracking buffs on pets, or with WoL. So i wouldn't rule it out just cuz WoL doesn't track the uptime. I mean it did atleast register 3 heroism buffs for the treants, so this evidence could go either way honestly.

To be honest. I don't see why people have started discussing this so much again, extensive testing has been done several times already, and we all know what they scale with, there's no doubt. They do scale with heroism.

[Paddywack]

We need help. Badly. First time, last night, we failed at Ultraxion since we started to clear him. As a raid leader, I want to know what can be done to help improve our raid and I really don't know boomkins well at all. Can I get someone to hash through our combat logs and tell me what our Boomkins (Leafshadow / Luminer) could be doing to improve their DPS?

I'm a first time poster and cannot post a link here apparently just yet but it is worldoflogs.com/reports/nyk8m7bt9elu33t4/ and worldoflogs.com/reports/emfp51z368zk029p/

Thanks!!! I'm going crazy over some of our DPS and Leaf says he has tried to figure it out but he has his a plateau of some sort, which to me, I feel is something that can be broken! I would love you forever!

[Skyepic]

Luminar: reforging is completely F'd. Haste to crit on his neck; Haste to hit on his cloak; haste to spirit on ring. He/she should probably read a forum to learn reforge priorities. Cuz it's not even close right now. Also not using Starsurge on cooldown, or anywhere close yet he/she has the 4pc. Has 1 more shooting star proc than shadowleaf yet shadowleaf has 7 more starsurges than Luminar. Insect swarm uptime is low as well. Also has a mushroom detonate that did 33K damage with 3 hits? Should wait until he's in solar eclipse before detonating his mushrooms. Damage should be more on the lines of 80 - 100K.

leafshadow: Missing a starfall (only 4 in a 5:31 fight). Starsurge is better than luminars, but i still feel like he should have more. Doesn't have a legendary so his damage is very RNG based on badly timed fading lights and such.



Final Note: Neither of them used a volcanic potion

[Paddywack]

Luminar: reforging is completely F'd. Haste to crit on his neck; Haste to hit on his cloak; haste to spirit on ring. He/she should probably read a forum to learn reforge priorities. Cuz it's not even close right now. Also not using Starsurge on cooldown, or anywhere close yet he/she has the 4pc. Has 1 more shooting star proc than shadowleaf yet shadowleaf has 7 more starsurges than Luminar. Insect swarm uptime is low as well. Also has a mushroom detonate that did 33K damage with 3 hits? Should wait until he's in solar eclipse before detonating his mushrooms. Damage should be more on the lines of 80 - 100K.

leafshadow: Missing a starfall (only 4 in a 5:31 fight). Starsurge is better than luminars, but i still feel like he should have more. Doesn't have a legendary so his damage is very RNG based on badly timed fading lights and such.



Final Note: Neither of them used a volcanic potion

Thanks for the reply! Please rip these logs apart! I have no idea what the heck is going wrong and I want EVERY harsh detail you can throw out there because I want to end Cataclysm going atleast up to Madness and I need anyone's help who will have the courage to throw out the dirty news we need to hear!