View Poll Results: Eventually, what would you like to see?

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  • The alpha male and female worgen customizations brought back as options.

    597 50.04%
  • Alpha male/female worgen customizations as options, but more male customizations.

    136 11.40%
  • Alpha male/female worgen customizations as options, but more female customization.

    264 22.13%
  • More current female facial customization (not the same face (not pattern))

    228 19.11%
  • More current male customization (fur colors, faces, hair, etc.)

    165 13.83%
  • Idc, as long as the females don't derp around anymore.

    477 39.98%
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  1. #981
    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Lolotea View Post
    By rights, with the upcoming model revamp, they ought to give everyone a single free recustomization per affected character.

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-23 at 05:16 PM ----------

    ETA: I found this linked at Tumblr. Liking the shape of her head there.
    You know I was just thinking that. I mean, it wouldn't really matter too much if they gave female Worgen (all Worgen?) a free makeover since they'll almost have to give one to all the Vanilla races that get redone (still not sure if they're including BC races in that or not). I mean, for all we know they could be totally tossing some of the current customization options, and I'd rather pick a new one than be assigned whatever the new corresponding code is.

    And that linked image is pretty good, too. I thought I'd seen all the female Worgen stuff at this point. :P
    It's actually a kind of nice halfway between the current and the Alpha. It's got the ears of the current, but with a mouth that's more like the Alpha, while the muzzle as a whole looks much more like the current male's, long and lean. I'm assuming it's actually not a "concept" so much as a stylized derivation of the current model, so it's nice to see that you can actually get something out of it given enough imagination. Of course, not everyone has access to a skilled artist's picture of how their character "should" look.


    Pretty off-topic, but related to the above, is there some sort of RP-code regarding the linking/sourcing of outside material for in-game things? Like if you linked some image in whatever RP addon people use instead of a description, or at least kept the link on-hand for people asking. On the one hand I think it'd be really cool to have custom art of your character, but on the other to rely on that instead of playing it out seems a little anti-rp.

  2. #982
    Quote Originally Posted by Scunosi View Post
    And that linked image is pretty good, too. I thought I'd seen all the female Worgen stuff at this point. :P
    It's actually a kind of nice halfway between the current and the Alpha. It's got the ears of the current, but with a mouth that's more like the Alpha, while the muzzle as a whole looks much more like the current male's, long and lean. I'm assuming it's actually not a "concept" so much as a stylized derivation of the current model, so it's nice to see that you can actually get something out of it given enough imagination. Of course, not everyone has access to a skilled artist's picture of how their character "should" look.
    I actually had a little dialogue with the artist. She rather likes the model for the most part; that image was mainly a "de-derpification."

    Pretty off-topic, but related to the above, is there some sort of RP-code regarding the linking/sourcing of outside material for in-game things? Like if you linked some image in whatever RP addon people use instead of a description, or at least kept the link on-hand for people asking. On the one hand I think it'd be really cool to have custom art of your character, but on the other to rely on that instead of playing it out seems a little anti-rp.
    As long as you're authorized to use it, and as long as it's not something godawful-Sue-tastic, I don't think there's a stigma.

  3. #983
    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Lolotea View Post
    I actually had a little dialogue with the artist. She rather likes the model for the most part; that image was mainly a "de-derpification."
    Yeah, it's actually really close to the live model, with just a few relatively minor changes. In fact, the mouth wouldn't even be a change if they only snarled in combat and had a real "passive" pose. The eyes aren't even that shrunk and that's a common complaint. I guess the main difference would be...I don't know, eyelids?

  4. #984
    She altered the positioning of the eyes. They look forward, as a predator's should.

    IMO, something like that or like this one would be a good compromise. The actual changes aren't huge, but it's a thematic improvement.

  5. #985
    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Lolotea View Post
    I actually had a little dialogue with the artist. She rather likes the model for the most part; that image was mainly a "de-derpification."

    As long as you're authorized to use it, and as long as it's not something godawful-Sue-tastic, I don't think there's a stigma.
    Well, if you look closer, the head shape isnt the same neither, it is less rounded/chihuahua-like too

  6. #986
    Quote Originally Posted by Zoator View Post
    Well, if you look closer, the head shape isnt the same neither, it is less rounded/chihuahua-like too
    You mean that doesn't fall under "de-derpification"?

  7. #987
    I am sure once the model revamps are done, Blizzard will give people a free recustomization. If they didn't, they would have a TON of angry customers because what the originally had does/did not look the same to the new revamps.

  8. #988
    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Lolotea View Post
    You mean that doesn't fall under "de-derpification"?
    well, i suppose its that... but i still see the head on that artwork better that the live model one...

  9. #989

  10. #990
    I'm coming into this WAY late, but those alpha versions are worse than the existing version. Yuck.

  11. #991
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyce View Post
    I'm coming into this WAY late, but those alpha versions are worse than the existing version. Yuck.
    So actually fitting the race's theme is "yuck," and going mechanically downhill—objectively so, mind you; every bug that the alpha had was exaggerated in the live—is an improvement?

    ...wait, what?
    Last edited by Dacia Ultan; 2012-04-25 at 10:03 PM.

  12. #992
    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Lolotea View Post
    So actually fitting the race's theme is "yuck," and going mechanically downhill—objectively so, mind you; every bug that the alpha had was exaggerated in the live—is an improvement?

    ...wait, what?
    Different people have different opinions and tastes. Shocking, I know.

  13. #993
    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Different people have different opinions and tastes. Shocking, I know.
    This has jack to do with "opinions and tastes," and you know it.

    Unless you're going to argue that entirely quantifiable bugs and glitches are a matter of "opinion," that is?

  14. #994
    the funniest thing is that those who post that "opinions" never says WHY they are good the Live model or bad the Alpha model. I wonder why they dont do it...
    Last edited by Zoator; 2012-04-26 at 01:04 PM.

  15. #995
    I just have to add that I fully support this movement and all that it wishes to accomplish.

    The female Worgen model is an affront to what it could've been, and comparatively to the male Worgen it is simply atrocious. Now, I wouldn't mind having the choice between the newer female and the older female, but I know that personally I consider the newer female to be a shame to the race as a whole.

  16. #996
    I almost feel like at this point they couldn't totally remove the current model, as it would likely be so different from a redone ("appropriate" in most people's eyes) version that it likely wouldn't appeal to the people who like the live model.
    Of course, they are redoing all the older females, but it's assumed/hoped they're sticking to what they've got and just giving them better skeletons/textures, not totally new themes. Which works for most of them, though I'm sure for every race there's at least someone who'd like to see muscular Blood Elves or female Trolls that actually look somewhat like the males. But with the female Worgen, I feel like they couldn't really just "freshen" them; they've already got nice textures at least, and their skeletons are/were decent (other than the obvious bugs) and don't really need things added, just some fixing. And unlike the older races, it's kind of hard to see one coherent "theme" for the ladies, what with the equal parts sexy and feral, so it'd be hard to try and recapture that while at the same time not making it another freaky hybrid. I figure they'll have to leave the live models in no matter what they do at the very least, which seems odd, having multiple types of female/male Worgen running around, however...
    Since the female Pandaren essentially have two different "species" or looks now, and that's seemingly just an arbitrary choice, not something like "Horde get Red and alliance get regular" I don't think that'd be too much of an issue any more. Besides, animals are pretty diverse, and we could always explain it away as Worgen being based on different species of wolves, right? I know I wouldn't mind terribly. Plus I can't get the red wolf image out of my head from a recent Cracked article.

  17. #997
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    at the moment female worgen seem to be treated as an embarassment. never shown or mentioned in lore, referenced as a mistake.. i hope they scrap the current model entirely. but i guess we'll have to see how they handle the old race revamp.

  18. #998
    Quote Originally Posted by Scunosi View Post
    I almost feel like at this point they couldn't totally remove the current model, as it would likely be so different from a redone ("appropriate" in most people's eyes) version that it likely wouldn't appeal to the people who like the live model.
    Of course, they are redoing all the older females, but it's assumed/hoped they're sticking to what they've got and just giving them better skeletons/textures, not totally new themes. Which works for most of them, though I'm sure for every race there's at least someone who'd like to see muscular Blood Elves or female Trolls that actually look somewhat like the males. But with the female Worgen, I feel like they couldn't really just "freshen" them; they've already got nice textures at least, and their skeletons are/were decent (other than the obvious bugs) and don't really need things added, just some fixing. And unlike the older races, it's kind of hard to see one coherent "theme" for the ladies, what with the equal parts sexy and feral, so it'd be hard to try and recapture that while at the same time not making it another freaky hybrid. I figure they'll have to leave the live models in no matter what they do at the very least, which seems odd, having multiple types of female/male Worgen running around, however...
    Since the female Pandaren essentially have two different "species" or looks now, and that's seemingly just an arbitrary choice, not something like "Horde get Red and alliance get regular" I don't think that'd be too much of an issue any more. Besides, animals are pretty diverse, and we could always explain it away as Worgen being based on different species of wolves, right? I know I wouldn't mind terribly. Plus I can't get the red wolf image out of my head from a recent Cracked article.
    i understand what you mean, but think about it, if they "update" the old races, they, maybe, will add some new options to the races with the actual ones that we have updated (new hairstyles, faces, beards...), with female worgen would be, fixing every animation bug the model has AND, adding some new "Alpha model themed" options and, maybe, the male get one or two of the faces it had during beta? (the Alpha and the "calmer one" that came later), it could be easy if the Alpha head is added as "face option" and the actual face option is changed to another tab, beacuse lets be clear, the actual face options on feamle worgen its the equivalent to the female NE markings (same face but with different "tatoos" on the face).

    With this the female worgen would have more custmization options, and without touching the worgen that those who like the Live model have.

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    It's nice to know this thread has made a bit more progress while I was gone. Not gonna say much right now, just giving you all a thumbs up.
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  20. #1000
    Quote Originally Posted by darenyon View Post
    at the moment female worgen seem to be treated as an embarassment. never shown or mentioned in lore, referenced as a mistake.. i hope they scrap the current model entirely. but i guess we'll have to see how they handle the old race revamp.
    Yeah not really. They're no less ignored in the lore than Troll females for example (then again the Troll female model can't even blink yet so on second thought you might be onto something). They still appear all over the place in the world, I think it has more to do with the fact that the Worgen race only has 3 major characters (Genn, Darius and Ivar) and Blizzard aren't interested in pushing their story forward any further. Not because they can't bear to look at one of their own models. I think expecting the Worgen or Goblins to get a model update anytime even remotely soon is a little unrealistic though. Even if Blizzard acknowledge the model has problems they'll probably go through every other race first.

    The funniest thing is the model only needs a few tiny changes and it would be relatively fine. Tweak the eyes a little (underpify and lose the eye-shadow) and fix the weird chest and you'll at least have something you can look at without wondering what it's mother was drinking. The perma-snarl and big claws I actually kind of like.
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