4.3 Unholy Guidelines

[Xarganthos]

how much haste should i have? i'm currently at 2100 but can go higher if i sacrifice mastery for it.

[Zangu]

What is the general opinion on reaching the Expertise Cap ( 26 ) as Unholy?
Can't check Armory right now but is it worth trying to reach it if one is already sitting at ~22-24?

[Wih]

What is the general opinion on reaching the Expertise Cap ( 26 ) as Unholy?
Can't check Armory right now but is it worth trying to reach it if one is already sitting at ~22-24?

Expertise is generally regarded as the least valuable stat for Unholy (as the only things it effects have their costs refunded, and the lack of expertise doesn't waste too much rune regen time), personally I'm sitting at 4~ and would go lower if I could. The only reason you would want to go out of your way to get any amount of expertise would be if you're finding you're wasting rune regen time, and even then you'd take as little as you could get away with. Haste, Crit and Mastery all provide more tangible DPS increases than expertise otherwise as the only "passive" source of damage from expertise (excluding the already mentioned rune capping) is our white damage.

EDIT: To directly answer your question, if you're sitting at 22-24 the "best" option wouldn't be to aim for 26, it'd be to dump as much as you possibly could. Reassess what gear options you have and find sidegrades in slots in which you currently have Expertise, and swap them out for pieces that don't have it (it may be that a piece half a tier lower that doesn't have expertise is better, depending on gem sockets and strength). Reforge out of expertise, etc etc.

[jizzyburnizzy]

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[Dossou]

how much haste should i have? i'm currently at 2100 but can go higher if i sacrifice mastery for it.

You want as much as possible. In my opinion 2100 is a very comfortable level to sit at, it's what I have at the moment. There isn't anything wrong with more though. Full BiS gear has 2233.

[jp165]

y have u chosen the spine sholders over the tier ones when haste is the most valuable stat? sure the haste u would gain over the mastery is better? i know there is a little stre diffurence.

[Dossou]

y have u chosen the spine sholders over the tier ones when haste is the most valuable stat? sure the haste u would gain over the mastery is better? i know there is a little stre diffurence.

The strength from the Spine shoulders as well as the socket colors make them better than the tier shoulders. Strength will always be worth more than any secondary stat.

[Dravok]

I have been DW Frost ever since BoT, BWD, and TotFW. I have 2 410 Hand of Morchoks but recently got a 403 Gurthalak while raiding. I wonder if I would get a DPS increase with the Gurthalak instead of the axes.

[Dossou]

I have been DW Frost ever since BoT, BWD, and TotFW. I have 2 410 Hand of Morchoks but recently got a 403 Gurthalak while raiding. I wonder if I would get a DPS increase with the Gurthalak instead of the axes.

For Frost, DWing 2 410 Hands will be more DPS than a 403 Gurth. If you want to play Unholy, the damage with Gurth will probably be about the same depending on how the rest of your gear is itemized and tentacle RNG.

[Lockren]

On a dummy, what would be acceptable uptime on megatimmy? For me it's about 63% after 12 minutes or so.

[Brauhm]

I've heard somewhere that using Unholy Frenzy on your pet is what you're supposed to do. Apparently he not only never runs out of energy with the buff, but also melee's like crazy. I had a DK in a raid with me today that had his pet do like 2 million damage, it literally did as much as he did and he pulled almost 43k. I can't link a picture right now (I only have recount and it only logs the last five fights, can I change that?) but I do have the one for our Heroic Hagara attempts.



http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...olution/simple

That is his armory, he's in his tank gear right now though. I'll update next week with his Ultraxion damage. I figure this is really high for using a buff on his pet that he should be using on himself so either he's doing something right or..?

[Dossou]

Heroic Hagara is an interesting example because DPS on that fight is purely based on the speed of your Frost phase and how many times you get tombed.

As to using Unholy Frenzy on your ghoul I think it's safe to say it's much better served on yourself.

My guild has begun to kill the boss before the 2nd set of tombs, so it's almost impossible to parse.

That guy's ghoul's sweeping claw attack was very high so I assume he was transforming his ghoul right before the tombs. I generally transform my ghoul for the short burn phase right after a Lightning or Frost phase ends. His increases his DPS, mine kills the boss faster.

If I was going for a high DPS parse I'd probably do the same, but we kill the boss far too quickly.

edit: raidbots.com/epeenbot/us/illidan/rêsolution/ - Blood Mainspec, only 2 Hagara kills

[Brauhm]

Heroic Hagara is an interesting example because DPS on that fight is purely based on the speed of your Frost phase and how many times you get tombed.

As to using Unholy Frenzy on your ghoul I think it's safe to say it's much better served on yourself.

My guild has begun to kill the boss before the 2nd set of tombs, so it's almost impossible to parse.

That guy's ghoul's sweeping claw attack was very high so I assume he was transforming his ghoul right before the tombs. I generally transform my ghoul for the short burn phase right after a Lightning or Frost phase ends. His increases his DPS, mine kills the boss faster.

If I was going for a high DPS parse I'd probably do the same, but we kill the boss far too quickly.

edit: raidbots.com/epeenbot/us/illidan/rêsolution/ - Blood Mainspec, only 2 Hagara kills

I checked his damage, his sweeping strikes never hit the ice tombs, that's purely Hagara/non-ice tombs. The problem I really have is that such a powerful cooldown seems like it would tank DPS if used the wrong way or on someone else in regards to personal dps, but his dps is on par with other DKs with his gear, basically, it seems like he's doing something right by using it on his pet, his damage seems more sustained. I feel this is because the haste interferes with the runic corruption ability, giving him a "rune regen cap" almost, and thus his pet gets much more of a benefit, this is just purely hypothetical since I don't play DK as a main but its just odd. Thank you for your input though.

[Dossou]

I checked his damage, his sweeping strikes never hit the ice tombs, that's purely Hagara/non-ice tombs. The problem I really have is that such a powerful cooldown seems like it would tank DPS if used the wrong way or on someone else in regards to personal dps, but his dps is on par with other DKs with his gear, basically, it seems like he's doing something right by using it on his pet, his damage seems more sustained. I feel this is because the haste interferes with the runic corruption ability, giving him a "rune regen cap" almost, and thus his pet gets much more of a benefit, this is just purely hypothetical since I don't play DK as a main but its just odd. Thank you for your input though.

Yeah to be quite honest with about 2200 haste and Unholy Frenzy you're pretty much GCD capped with good Runic Corruption. It's still a DPS increase.

[stokes53]

guidelines should be remembered at time

[Ulfz]

Could you PM me how to use the codes for TellMeWhen? I'm having a difficulties setting up this addon. Thanks.

[Kyrios Angelus]

I got one more question, i've gotten help from you before Dossou for Madness, but I got one more question, what do you do with your goul when you switch platforms? cause mine just goes down between the platforms and dies? Is there any way to fix that or make it better?

[Dossou]

I got one more question, i've gotten help from you before Dossou for Madness, but I got one more question, what do you do with your goul when you switch platforms? cause mine just goes down between the platforms and dies? Is there any way to fix that or make it better?

I haven't played Unholy for Madness in a while since my guild has been doing no buff Heroic clears. What works is to dismiss your pet before you swap platforms and resummon it when you land on the new platform. Sometimes your ghoul will die when the parasite explodes so take care to put him on passive and place him away from the parasite, then back on assist after it explodes. This only even happens on the first platform for me and should never happen if your guild drops parasites in the bubble every time. (4th platform might happen as well).

[bals]

I got one more question, i've gotten help from you before Dossou for Madness, but I got one more question, what do you do with your goul when you switch platforms? cause mine just goes down between the platforms and dies? Is there any way to fix that or make it better?

not sure if this still works

Dismissing your ghoul pet while in the air will respawn it on landing. Either do so by right click ghoul portrait -> dismiss pet or the use of a simple macro: /script PetDismiss()

from http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-DPS-Boss-Tips

[rap87]

Coming from a Warlock, I'm wondering is it ever worthwhile to refresh your dots without Outbreak but manually. Say if you get some Attack power/Mastery Trinket procs? Say for Bane of Doom you want to reapply it in a meta with trinkets and let it fall off but after that while waiting for another meta you would reapply if you get better procs.

With the DK do you just do this with Outbreak and Festering just keeps that same snapshotted one going? I know EJ recommends for the pull to manually start, get procs, outbreak, just wondering about the rest of the fight. Thanks!

Lastly with Festering, you should never have to Fester with Death Runes to keep your dots going until the next Outbreak right? I've had it happen before but I think I messed something up in the rotation. Also I noticed that below a certain second amount on the dots festering wouldn't extend the duration...