1. #3241
    Quote Originally Posted by gynshon View Post
    Well, the short story - Amazing! The long story?

    We double monked it. Basically our Prot Paladin was screwing us attempt after attempt last night by mistaunting, not moving out for decaps, and just craptastic play all around and I lit into him for it. He ragequit, dc'd, turned off his phone, etc. I felt a little bad about it afterwards, but then I changed my kind about it because as a player pushing the envelope for top tier guilds, you need to have a thick skin and if you are playing poorly, expect criticism.

    So we brought in another monk that had seen the fight with us as Windwalker but is normally BrM (formerly Shark Week) and we proceeded to get closer and closer until one attempt he fell over dead. TBH, double monk was very solid and surprised me. Of course skill > class so that probably had something to do with it as well.

    Pros:
    - Provoke run speed bonus. Amazing for platform moving and minimizing stacks.
    - Without going into too many details about strat since we still have yet to kill Raden (1st pulls tonight) our abilities and utility are very strong.
    - Guards do great with vengeance. We all knew this, but it really helps here in phases.
    - AoE dmg. Is there anyone better?

    Cons:
    - We can hit phases of "trucked" on the boss himself.
    - Lack of real raid cooldown to be used in final phase, or transition.

    If you want more details, PM me.
    Agree with everything. I was the other BrM. The ability to soak every decap and the AOE damage on adds made up for the lack of raid CDs. Even undergeared (523), I felt the Monk performed very well.

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    Very cool. I probably won't see the fight until going back in late 5.4, but I love hearing about it.

    I've never tanked with another Brewmaster so I'm wondering about raid Guards with two Brewmasters, can someone have a guard from each monk at the same time or would they overwrite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoranar View Post
    Agree with everything. I was the other BrM. The ability to soak every decap and the AOE damage on adds made up for the lack of raid CDs. Even undergeared (523), I felt the Monk performed very well.
    Have to say Lei Shen is a really fun fight though maybe I just like it cause BrM are so awesome in it, hopefully get to heroic version when it's still relevant. Since first Decap comes for me when we are moving him between pillar's I'm sure I get a few chuckles from the guild as the floating green panda ball floats behind him for a little bit.

    I'm seeing more and more guilds realize how nice a GOOD BrM is to have in a raid as they are all running or looking for one to tank. Most of the top guilds on my server run with a Monk though think only 3-4 others have me beat in iLevel currently.

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    Hilariously easy fight as a BrM. The only dangerous parts is when the raid doesnt know not to stack too hard for ball lightnning and the nature dmg goes through the roof. Everything else is cake about it

  5. #3245
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampere View Post
    Very cool. I probably won't see the fight until going back in late 5.4, but I love hearing about it.

    I've never tanked with another Brewmaster so I'm wondering about raid Guards with two Brewmasters, can someone have a guard from each monk at the same time or would they overwrite?
    They do stack. Our paladin healer (who had the least health), was consistently getting both of our guards.

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    How is a Brm able to soak each decap?

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    ~2.5 million damage -> [60% stagger] -> 1 million damage -> [500k guard] -> 500k decapitate, somewhat unpredictable.
    ~2.5 million damage -> [60% stagger] -> 1 million damage -> [dampen harm] -> 500k decapitate, more reliable.
    ~2.5 million damage -> [20% redux - fort brew] -> 2 million damage -> [80% stagger] -> 400k decapitate, getting pretty weak.
    ~2.5 million damage -> [20% redux - fort brew] -> 2 million damage -> [92% stagger - cancelaura elusive brew] -> 160k decapitate, lolable, won't even proc dampen harm.

    I went with option #4 as we just tank the boss with decapitate debuff active (100% more damage) to cheese vengeance so fort brew isn't wasted.

    There are 3 decaps in phase 1. Paladin vengeance cheeses #1, I vengeance cheese #2, then I taunt and zen med #3 for another 300k vengeance cheese.
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    Congrats Gynshon!

    Happy to hear that some guilds double monked it, our class is getting more and more in a even more better tankposition!

    With 5.3 when pallys battlehealer gets nerfed we will close up a litte more.

    Öhhhm yeah, gratz on Ra-Den too! Stalked your Armory and have seen it! how long did u need to take him down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoqt View Post
    Congrats Gynshon!

    Happy to hear that some guilds double monked it, our class is getting more and more in a even more better tankposition!

    With 5.3 when pallys battlehealer gets nerfed we will close up a litte more.

    Öhhhm yeah, gratz on Ra-Den too! Stalked your Armory and have seen it! how long did u need to take him down?
    Thanks!!!

    We did it in 20 total pulls, but the 1st 5 or so was figuring out specific placement versus real attempts. Then we had some dps issues for the next couple, then it was just working on cd rotation. Overall, it was pretty much of a letdown after the clusterf^&W of Lei Shen. But we set our goals as finishing US 1st 10m, and we did that, plus finished world 10th 10m, and 18th overall. Not too shabby.

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    Great job, hope we can get there in the next few weeks aswell... 3 to go till Lei Shen...

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    Ra-Den in the first reset of attempts, thats impressive. Glad you guys finished so strong - you earned it. Your assistance on these forums as well as in PMs is always appreciated!

  12. #3252
    Quote Originally Posted by sleepness View Post
    Ra-Den in the first reset of attempts, thats impressive. Glad you guys finished so strong - you earned it. Your assistance on these forums as well as in PMs is always appreciated!
    Thank you for the kind words sleepness. In all honesty, I don't really consider Ra-den impressive since there were two videos out with the basic strat already and the boss is underwhelming in the end. The damage at the end of the fight is pretty intense though on a Brewmaster in 10h where I was getting hit for 500k+ a melee swing every 1.5s with a 60% stagger without 2pc proc, and 72% with.

    The tier was the 2nd best overall IMHO next to Ulduar, and while some fights I thought at the time were slightly overtuned, usually one week of gear overcame it with ease the following week so it was pretty well done until Ra-den.

    I will probably write up a blog about each fight this tier, my impressions, tactics, tricks, etc.

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  13. #3253
    Quote Originally Posted by gynshon View Post

    I will probably write up a blog about each fight this tier, my impressions, tactics, tricks, etc.
    Please do

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    That would be great! A Blog about your progression through the tier would be very nice!

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    I love this guide, it's helped me get into Brewmaster but I've been reading other places and I'm completely confused about stat priority at the moment. I'm just starting out really, aiming for LFRs and then maybe more after. I'd love to read through 160 odd pages but it's a minefield Any pokes in the right direction for stats would be ace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oleh View Post
    I love this guide, it's helped me get into Brewmaster but I've been reading other places and I'm completely confused about stat priority at the moment. I'm just starting out really, aiming for LFRs and then maybe more after. I'd love to read through 160 odd pages but it's a minefield Any pokes in the right direction for stats would be ace.
    How important is it to you that your attacks aren't dodged/parried?

    Decide that and then you can pick how much hit/expertise you want. Most people agree that you should get at least hit cap and some expertise. I prefer capping hit and hardcapping (15%) expertise.

    For casual stuff like LFR or even 10 man heroics I think you should stack crit rating and gems and use agility enchants and meta gem.

    The most important thing is to play well, keep shuffle up, purify when you need to and use elusive brew and other cooldowns intelligently. Practice a lot and find out what works best for you

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    Hey guys, with guard, should i be using it on CD or using it to mitigate large amounts of damage; Talon Rake or horidons thing for example?


    thanks

    Doc

  18. #3258
    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor View Post
    Hey guys, with guard, should i be using it on CD or using it to mitigate large amounts of damage; Talon Rake or horidons thing for example?


    thanks

    Doc
    All depends on the fight and how lazy you want/not want to be. Guard is great for those hard hitting moments like Talon Rake, Magaera breaths, etc etc. Otherwise it is also good for just standard melee swings during a time where your healers may be focusing on something else for a few seconds.

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  19. #3259
    Quote Originally Posted by gynshon View Post
    All depends on the fight and how lazy you want/not want to be. Guard is great for those hard hitting moments like Talon Rake, Magaera breaths, etc etc. Otherwise it is also good for just standard melee swings during a time where your healers may be focusing on something else for a few seconds.
    Just make sure to use it at appropriate times according to vengeance. Guarding on a tank swap may seem like a good idea to give your healers time to switch, but waiting a few swings for vengeance before guarding will double its effectiveness.

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