I'm the only one who voted "I don't care".
If you don't care about our class buffs then why are you posting about what you do not care about. You must "care" to tell others that you do not care lol
I don't know what your purpose is in making these rambling, disjointed posts, but I obviously care about the hunter class; I just simply don't care if we lose a singular, personal buff as long as it all washes out.
Why keep saying as long as it all washes out lol? There is nothing that has replaced it yet and today there are hunters that are concerned with this. Clearly this is not something that comprehension has blessed you with. Today there is a buff missing and today us hunters are not happy with it. You may not care but us hunters that care about our class also care about losing buffs. Stop talking like as if it has been replaced by something or balanced already. Your the only one rambling and you sound salty that you have no real response in debate or that anyone agrees with you other than chrth. There is a poll about it already and yet your still pushing your opinion on others as if we need to agree with you about not "Caring" about our class buffs being gone. Not happening...
Losing something like CotW may not have any effects on PVE, but when you think about it from PVP perspective, you realize that if they are going to keep damage balanced, then you've just lost a mean of on demand burst in certain scenarios. Arena hunters, who care about min/maxing, typically start out with agi, crit, and CotW and switching to a utility pet.
Now, they may have done this because BM hunters are usually the only ones using ferocity pets in PVP and they have a much better burst now due to shorter TBW cd.
On a semi-related note, how about cunning pets' cooldown. Is roar still the same or have they removed that as well ? There's one spell we could ask to be changed for something better at least, it feels very lackluster in its current form.
CotW isn't an amazing cooldown - quite the opposite, it's extremely boring. If we get better dps all-around or a better cooldown as compensation, I'm all for it. If not, then we can talk about it. It's just too early to tell when we simply can't compare ourselves against the other classes at level90 for a very simple reason: we can't get there yet.
I do agree with you on one thing though, macroing it to rapid fire would be sub-optimal in PvE at least.
- The Hunter's Creed -
"This is my pet. There are many others like him, but this one is mine. He is my best friend. He is my life. I must master him as I master my life. My pet, without me, is useless. Without my pet, I am useless."
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We're still tweaking focus regen. It does feel a little slow right now.
Im going to assume for those that don't feel the use Cotw being important you don't pvp much. I will leave it at that cause no matter how much some care about it and others wont miss it if you were a hardcore pvper you wouldn't be pro nerf on anything as bad as our class is for pvp now. Pve we have always been good aside from the end game raiding due to our class not scaling well with gear. That is fixed in mop or what they have done is said to be the solution but pvp our class is in terrible shape. If you don't pvp and don't do both with our class It would be best to ask how buffs effect certain areas of the game before they are thrown out of the window.
Its not an uneducated guess to assume those who have expressed how they don't care for it only pve either due to there explanations of how they use it in boss fights... Tell a pvper that they are losing another part of their burst when that is the only strong suit our class brings to pvp and Im sure you will get an upset hunter.
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With Ghostcrawler saying piercing shots and mm mastery won't break cc in MoP I'll very likely be switching to it from bm. That's always been my issue with MM pvp, and the 10% heal with chimera shot is too good to pass up.
As for pre-CotW in arena, I find that somewhat humorous a suggestion, as getting burst in a hunter team in the first 20 seconds of a match is comically unlikely except maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe in junglecleave. And if you're suggesting switching to a ferocity pet mid-arena to set up your burst...well, that's pretty funny too, imo.
BM pvp use it all the time and is a huge burst add, as well as triple dps MM teams run with it all the time for the added cat agility buff as well as Cotw as currently is as viable as Juncle Thug or Phdk right now. I never suggested anything about switching to that pet mid arena either maybe you should brush up on your comprehension skills. I think that was your advice to me last night. Funny how good advice maybe in movement full circle already.
Burst is good in all working hunter comps even in phdk when its used a good half minute into the round instead of immediately. The fact that you stated you are 8/8H means nothing to your pvp knowledge.
No Aettis hunters do not run with 5 monkey. Hunter pre buff arena matches with wolfs and cats as well as like to often keep a dismantle pet (Scorpion) depending the comps they run with. I do both Pve and Pvp and I can understand how a non pvper can make assumptions or even neglect the fact that some abilities are more useful or useless in pvp as apposed to pve...
2) MM hunters DO run with multiple monkeys, upwards of 5. Sure, they may not all use 5 monkeys, but a majority use several monkeys. The monkey CC is too valuable to pass up.
3) I never said CotW was useless. All I said was that its effects are not that gamebreaking. Its not a huge burst CD. Its not a rotation changing CD. Its just a blah CD every 5 minutes for 20 seconds. 10% AP in PvP gear is what...1600-1800? Yeah, thats good! But its not great.
Regardless of our thoughts on CotW in Cataclysm, this thread is for Mists. We need to discuss Mists changes and their effects in the BETA here. Please.
That's exactly what were doing if you are reading. We are talking about Beta Mop changes. Again no matter how much you say you read about pvp or you say you know your class I say again NO hunter(S) do not run 5 monkeys.