To beta warlocks

[hiragana]

i really doubt the glyph will go live. It just seems wierd that you would have to buy a glyph to be able to be a tank. That would mean you would have to be atleast level 25 and pay a lot of money for it. Im guessing they are just using this glyph to test out the mechanics and if people respond well will add a 4th tree. Im sure i read blizz saying warlocks have changed more than any other class, wouldnt surprise me if this is part of what they're referring to.

[Rayaleith]

It is stupid that blizzard is silent on this

[Depravitty]

It is stupid that blizzard is silent on this

THIS. It really blows my mind how they never reveal any information to us.

[Paraclef]

Working as intended as always with warlocks and devs....

[Scorned]

THIS. It really blows my mind how they never reveal any information to us.

The beta has literally just started. I doubt anyone at Blizzard has made a solid decision yet.

[checking facts]

The beta has literally just started. I doubt anyone at Blizzard has made a solid decision yet.

well, they'd better decide fast and positively towards warlock tanks before I get angry

[Depravitty]

The beta has literally just started. I doubt anyone at Blizzard has made a solid decision yet.

Not saying that they still have not made up their minds is still not giving us info. Which is what i said.

[Lucetia]

The beta has literally just started. I doubt anyone at Blizzard has made a solid decision yet.

For those still reading this thread. Here's blizzard's answer: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/219575-lock-tanks-good-other-1-role-class-changes/

Short Answer: No, Demo locks will not be happening.

Long Answer: [quoted from article]

Just to make our intent clear, the Glyph of Demon Hunting isn't intended to turn Demonology warlocks into a tanking spec. You won't be able to queue as a tank for Dungeon Finder for instance and won't have the survivability or tools of say a Protection paladin.

Historically, warlocks felt tankier than other casters and could even off-tank some encounters. We have made an effort in Mists to recapture some of that flavor. A warlock with this glyph should feel like they are about as effective tanking as an Arms warrior who pulls out a shield and swaps to Defensive Stance, or a Feral druid who goes into Bear form. You might be able to off-tank adds or pick up an actual boss for a short period of time if the tank goes down.

To make warlocks an actual tank would take more significant changes. For example, we want tanks to have to pick up separate tanking gear than their DPS gear (this is even true of druids) and want tanks to have to give up some of their DPS potential in exchange for their survivability. In short, it needs to be a commitment, and that's the sort of thing that needs larger gameplay changes than just a glyph.

That shouldn't stop the glyph of Demon Hunting from being fun though. As you can probably tell, we are trying to make even the major glyphs more about character customization and fun.

[thenewzero]

I would have rathered they just say "We don't like the idea of Warlocks being tanks." instead of trying to pull out the gear excuse. Unless they intend to bring back tanking leather, Monk and Druid tanks will be wearing DPS gear, so that excuse is thin at best. The glyph requires you to give up a lot of DPS potential by converting your +damage Mastery into a +mitigation Mastery, and could be tuned to reduce damage more, so that excuse is also very thin.

It's a shame. I was looking forward to playing my Warlock in PvE since they might be able to tank, but I think she will stick to PvP since playing DPS in PvE is boring as hell.

[Count Zero]

I would have rathered they just say "We don't like the idea of Warlocks being tanks." instead of trying to pull out the gear excuse. Unless they intend to bring back tanking leather, Monk and Druid tanks will be wearing DPS gear, so that excuse is thin at best. The glyph requires you to give up a lot of DPS potential by converting your +damage Mastery into a +mitigation Mastery, and could be tuned to reduce damage more, so that excuse is also very thin.

It's a shame. I was looking forward to playing my Warlock in PvE since they might be able to tank, but I think she will stick to PvP since playing DPS in PvE is boring as hell.

Good point. I wish someone would ask in that thread if this means we'll be getting tank leather in MoP.

[Lucetia]

The glyph requires you to give up a lot of DPS potential by converting your +damage Mastery into a +mitigation Mastery, and could be tuned to reduce damage more, so that excuse is also very thin.

Here's the thing about beta's. People assume what is live at this very moment to be truth and that nothing is missing. Here's a blue post:

As some of you have pointed out, the glyph of Demon Hunting in your beta build doesn't deliver on what I described above as the design. The newer version of the glyph, hopefully available in the next beta build, allows a warlock to toggle in and out of the off-tank / survival mode, more like the druid going Bear or the warrior going Defensive.

The new shapeshift granted by the glyph is called Threatening Presence (PH) and adds Taunt and Fury Ward to the normal Metamorphosis toolkit. You still get the damage reduction from mastery instead of the damage boost from mastery while in this form. You can also choose to go into normal Metamorphosis even if you have the glyph. Let us know how it feels.

We appreciate all the feedback and passion on this topic. We expected this glyph would serve a pretty niche community and were surprised at how many players were excited about it. We are still in beta and are still very much experimenting with what kind of gamplay we can deliver in glyphs.