Poll: 20% crit or 33% crit?

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    [Frost PVP Mage] Crit or Mastery?

    So.. I have been reading a lot of frost PVP guides.. and I read one that states to get to 33.4% crit chance and then go for mastery.. but then I find guides telling me to just get to 20% then go mastery.

    So.. I need a little help deciding on what I should do?

    20% crit then stack mastery?
    33% crit then go mastery?

    or if you have some other tips I'd love to hear em.

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    Dreadlord teebo's Avatar
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    Pretty sure 20% has been the standard

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    Last edited by teebo; 2012-04-02 at 03:59 AM.

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    1.roll a mage
    2. freeze everything
    3.profit

    But yeah 20% then mastery....and dont forget hit XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowjobs View Post
    1.roll a mage
    2. freeze everything
    3.profit

    But yeah 20% then mastery....and dont forget hit XD
    Good one. Mages are so OP there's 3 of them in the top 30 arena teams.

    Anyway OT: What you do is gem straight intellect (bar socket bonus which give you intellect) and reforge everything to mastery. If you have full cataclysmic you should end up with about 20-25% crit and a good amount of mastery.

    Don't forget spell pen/hit cap
    this game sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by teebo View Post
    Pretty sure 20% has been the standard

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    LOL WHAT - How'd you know.

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    I stack full mastery and it works wonders for me, I've gotten 90k+ shatters with my opener. The burst it bings wins games, a player can be at 40%, which doesn't necessarily merrit major CDs in a healer comp, and then boom, they're dead. Equip foul gift and give its proc a power aura or something, and have fun.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...stien/advanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by snookiee View Post
    I stack full mastery and it works wonders for me, I've gotten 90k+ shatters with my opener. The burst it bings wins games, a player can be at 40%, which doesn't necessarily merrit major CDs in a healer comp, and then boom, they're dead. Equip foul gift and give its proc a power aura or something, and have fun.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...stien/advanced
    I'm sorry but you don't have a PvP trinket. That works, sure, but only if you're human; which is why human is OP. (I'm basing this off the fact that your ratings are, no offence, pretty poor)
    this game sucks

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    Ditch frost go fire. Much more enjoyable spec and insane if played correctly (obviously dont if your comp relies on you to be frost but even if so id just switch comp :P)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rektlol View Post
    Good one. Mages are so OP there's 3 of them in the top 30 arena teams.

    Anyway OT: What you do is gem straight intellect (bar socket bonus which give you intellect) and reforge everything to mastery. If you have full cataclysmic you should end up with about 20-25% crit and a good amount of mastery.

    Don't forget spell pen/hit cap
    Last I checked, I counted 9 mages in the top 30 teams for US.
    http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings...1&class_id3=-1

    Oh or there's the 10 in the top 30 for EU.
    http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings...1&class_id3=-1

    Or there's also the 13 mages in the top 30 teams for KR.
    http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings...1&class_id3=-1

    TW only has 4 mages in their top 30 teams, but I'm pretty sure no one cares about TW... Actually, I'm pretty sure that no one cares about KR ladders either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphus View Post
    Last I checked, I counted 9 mages in the top 30 teams for US.
    http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings...1&class_id3=-1
    I count 5. I also count 15 Rshams and 16 locks, but no mages are the most overpowered thing of all time.
    this game sucks

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    if the game was perfectly balanced you would see around 9 of each class in the top 30.

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    [QUOTE=rektlol;16240659]I count 8. And no-one is saying the rsham-afflic isn't overpowered, of course it is. That doesn't mean that frost burst isn't too high. Before the vial trinket nerf, people posted combat logs of glad level healers being literally globalled by RMP openers.

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    20% only means 60% for shatter, that's not any special number. It could as well be 21, for 63% crit.

    So you just reforge mastery wherever you can and if the choice stands between crit and haste (as an off stat), you choose crit. Eventually you'll get to 20% anyway.

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    Mastery all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphus View Post
    Last I checked, I counted 9 mages in the top 30 teams for US.
    http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings...1&class_id3=-1
    And all of them are on 0/0 teams.

    Huh, I wonder if AJ is keeping up with the changes in the Blizzard API.

    Anyways, looking at the top 5 teams of each battlegroup, I counted 9 in the US. None of them R1 and only 2 R2. Most were around the 4-5 mark if a battlegroup had mages in the top 5 teams at all.

    Not all battlegroups are created equal and AJ's tool is just about the most useless thing out there. They have a staggering number of errors.
    Quote Originally Posted by Callace View Post
    Considering you just linked a graph with no data plotted on it as factual evidence, I think Stanton can infer whatever the hell he wants.
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  17. #17
    When I had 22% crit (and minimal mastery), I felt like I could only keep people distracted. At 17.2% crit and 12 mastery, I feel like a killing machine.

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    Personally I feel 18 to 20 or so crit is fine then mastery.

    But in fact I also have a little bit of haste I never reforged off just for a little extra speed. Maybe I'm just bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rektlol View Post
    Good one. Mages are so OP there's 3 of them in the top 30 arena teams.
    No room for mages in all those RLS teams.

    20% crit/stack mastery is pretty much the norm.

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