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  1. #641
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespian View Post
    This idea might be totally stupid, but bear with me.

    There are supposed to be 0.0 sec pirate stations. I'm not sure about their exact position currently, but no doubt EVE wiki has data on that. Since I simply do not know what to expect in 0.0 sec, would it be an idea to roll an alt that " joins" the pirate faction from the tutorial (assuming there is a "join pirates" option in the tutorial as I've read in some places)? My salvaging alt could no doubt use a little more training, but for my basic needs, he's perfectly fine the way he is. So the way I see it, I can roll a pirate alt on that account and go 0.0 sec with virtually no risk of losing major amounts of isk and getting to know 0.0 sec from the start. Or I could make a char on my mining alt account.

    Basic plan:
    - Do tutorial, join pirate faction of my choice (probably one pirate faction per default faction).
    - Join a 0.0 corp that allows me to grow into a frigate pvp role and allows me to fly missions in their sector.
    - Share money from my two "main" accounts.
    - Focus on Destroyer/TII frigate training for level 1/2 missions.
    - Learn to live, fight and survive in nullsec.

    Is this a good plan?
    Yes there are pirate stations in null sec but they are often camped and you can't join them, only do missions.

    TBH if you want to go null sec join a player corp (check the the EVE recruitment forums), plenty don't mind new players and can teach you how to survive out there.
    Just be weary of some scams where they might offer to transport your stuff there or ask for a fee. You will lose it.

    Just remember: If you can't afford to lose it then don't fly it because you will die.
    Oh and remember to update your clone

  2. #642
    Quote Originally Posted by Schmittay View Post
    Yes there are pirate stations in null sec but they are often camped and you can't join them, only do missions.

    TBH if you want to go null sec join a player corp (check the the EVE recruitment forums), plenty don't mind new players and can teach you how to survive out there.
    Just be weary of some scams where they might offer to transport your stuff there or ask for a fee. You will lose it.

    Just remember: If you can't afford to lose it then don't fly it because you will die.
    Oh and remember to update your clone
    I'll be flying frigates (a 100% new char) I wasn't intending on joining them, I was going to "join" them. I tried to make that clear with the quotations. Other than that, yeah what you said is exactly how I think this will go.

    Picked up this guide to piracy on my search on the interwebz.
    http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/T...Piracy_2.1.pdf
    Last edited by Vespian; 2013-01-16 at 07:08 AM.

  3. #643
    I could tell you to just join TEST/Honey Badger Coalition, because we own a hefty portion of the Southwestern portion of the map, and we take just about anyone who puts in the time to make an application, but that would be propaganda.

    I could also tell you that since TEST/HBC owns MORE SPACE THAN WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH you could probably base out of the Blood Raider NPC stations in Delve with relative ease. Since there isn't any fighting going on in Delve any more other than the occasional gate camp, you could live there rather easily without having to join a corp. When I was running lvl 4 missions I saw barely anyone aside from 1-3 occasional neutrals, and they were just running missions too, so they were too worried about losing their ship to try and do any pvp. I actually saw a guy in a PVE fit Cynabal that was scared I was going to gank him, and many lols were had. Here, I even included a handy dandy map for you.

    Or if you don't want to join TEST cause we're lame and bad at this game, then you could try to join one of the pirate corps basing out of the Phoenix constellation in Fountain's Serpentis Space. I'm pretty sure they're not noob friendly though, but I could be wrong.



    If you just want to get into some T1 frigate pvp then look at Red vs Blue or Factional Warfare.
    Last edited by kumduh; 2013-01-16 at 11:10 AM.

  4. #644
    Training for TRIBE T2 fleet fits take days when it requires cross training...a few weeks to go yay.

  5. #645
    Quote Originally Posted by kumduh View Post
    I could tell you to just join TEST/Honey Badger Coalition, because we own a hefty portion of the Southwestern portion of the map, and we take just about anyone who puts in the time to make an application, but that would be propaganda.

    I could also tell you that since TEST/HBC owns MORE SPACE THAN WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH you could probably base out of the Blood Raider NPC stations in Delve with relative ease. Since there isn't any fighting going on in Delve any more other than the occasional gate camp, you could live there rather easily without having to join a corp. When I was running lvl 4 missions I saw barely anyone aside from 1-3 occasional neutrals, and they were just running missions too, so they were too worried about losing their ship to try and do any pvp. I actually saw a guy in a PVE fit Cynabal that was scared I was going to gank him, and many lols were had. Here, I even included a handy dandy map for you.

    Or if you don't want to join TEST cause we're lame and bad at this game, then you could try to join one of the pirate corps basing out of the Phoenix constellation in Fountain's Serpentis Space. I'm pretty sure they're not noob friendly though, but I could be wrong.

    If you just want to get into some T1 frigate pvp then look at Red vs Blue or Factional Warfare.
    I like, heard there's this great alliance called TEST/HBC in nulsec. You think I should join ?:P Thanks for the advice anyways. I take it you are not denouncing my idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiltrold View Post
    I'm already pretty confused with the nearly endless of way to play this game :O I have i few questions though, I've seen that you are able to complete alot of missions. Is it a good idea to do these in the first couple of weeks, or can I jump right into a mining og trading carrier after the tutorials?
    This is something where you are going to have to find your own comfort level, but I would suggest to go slow at first. And as someone else has suggested, find a good Corp to join. Try to do some research into them first, there are ones that are more helpful to new players.

    Just take it easy at first. It will take a little while for the "Kick Me" sign that all newbies have on the back of their shirts, to wear off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiltrold View Post
    I'm already pretty confused with the nearly endless of way to play this game :O I have i few questions though, I've seen that you are able to complete alot of missions. Is it a good idea to do these in the first couple of weeks, or can I jump right into a mining og trading carrier after the tutorials?
    You can pretty much do what ever you want. The thing is you want to focus in on one thing at first and get good at it before you start messing with other careers. As far as missions go the only ones you really want to complete early on are the Sister of Eve story arc's. You should receive an agent contact for that story arc during your tutorial. Other than that just focus in on one aspect like mining or combat or salvaging so you can start making some isk. Once you have a comfortable stream of isk coming in you can start training in other areas.

    Mining in particular is lucrative and within 3 weeks you can easily have a retriever to make some decent isk. Then you can spend your time mining while you train more of the fun skills. Just my suggestion.

  8. #648
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespian View Post

    Picked up this guide to piracy on my search on the interwebz.
    http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/T...Piracy_2.1.pdf
    This is probably the most well-thought and easily-read guide I've seen on piracy, PvP, and flying in general... Thank you very much for sharing!

  9. #649
    Quote Originally Posted by Absintheminded View Post
    This is probably the most well-thought and easily-read guide I've seen on piracy, PvP, and flying in general... Thank you very much for sharing!
    Yeah, it will likely be a great help to me as well

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    Well I went to a station boxing ring in that sector (k-6k16), because it's like the only place that sells equipment at a reasonable price, but this Reddit dude doesnt like me, so I may not enter hehe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespian View Post
    I'll be flying frigates (a 100% new char) I wasn't intending on joining them, I was going to "join" them. I tried to make that clear with the quotations. Other than that, yeah what you said is exactly how I think this will go.

    Picked up this guide to piracy on my search on the interwebz.
    Really helpful guide. A lot of good information presented in easy to understand manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragothica View Post
    I'm planning to do this, still I need two accounts to run two character properly. I have two, but I have gametime only on one account currently (the one which has the old main on).
    'starting over' in EVE, is not intelligent. just jump on your 'main', go to one of the races' beginner systems, and do the tutorials.

    read some blogs, read the official forums. figure out exactly what you want to do in the game, and take some time to think.

    'throwing away' 25mil SP is a very, very bad idea. within 1 month, you'll be relearned and refreshed and then you'll just go back to the main anyway; so just do it now.

    EVE is not like wow. you can't blast your way to the top, throw on some epics, and call it good in 5 days. if you completely start over in EVE, you're looking at a bare minimum of 2 months before you can really do anything well at all, and 6 months is more likely. that 6 months you could have your main to over 30 mil SP, and be highly 'back in to it'.

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-17 at 10:07 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Vespian View Post
    Covert Ops ships can Cloak while warping, as far as I know (two more days on cloaking IV). Carefully proceeding towards "higher bounties" while the player finishes off the last ship, de-cloaking, targeting and scanning the cargo, then deciding whether to loot or salvage, or loot after salvaging.

    As far as I know, lots of that going on with me, only sleepers can penetrate cloak.
    this is the second time i've heard this in the last few days.

    where are you people getting this incorrect info about sleepers 'seeing through' cloak?

    i warp to sleeper sites probably 20-30 times a day, while cloaked, and I have NEVER been decloaked.

    of course if you end up near ANY object closer than 2500 meters, it will decloak you.

    the only 2 ways of being decloaked: 2500 meter proximity and getting bombed.

  12. #652
    Quote Originally Posted by greysaber View Post
    'starting over' in EVE, is not intelligent. just jump on your 'main', go to one of the races' beginner systems, and do the tutorials.

    read some blogs, read the official forums. figure out exactly what you want to do in the game, and take some time to think.

    'throwing away' 25mil SP is a very, very bad idea. within 1 month, you'll be relearned and refreshed and then you'll just go back to the main anyway; so just do it now.

    EVE is not like wow. you can't blast your way to the top, throw on some epics, and call it good in 5 days. if you completely start over in EVE, you're looking at a bare minimum of 2 months before you can really do anything well at all, and 6 months is more likely. that 6 months you could have your main to over 30 mil SP, and be highly 'back in to it'.

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-17 at 10:07 AM ----------



    this is the second time i've heard this in the last few days.

    where are you people getting this incorrect info about sleepers 'seeing through' cloak?

    i warp to sleeper sites probably 20-30 times a day, while cloaked, and I have NEVER been decloaked.

    of course if you end up near ANY object closer than 2500 meters, it will decloak you.

    the only 2 ways of being decloaked: 2500 meter proximity and getting bombed.
    I had to do a lot of research lately, so I can't link a source. But I'll take your empiric evidence that it's not true then

  13. #653
    The best part of EVE?

    WORMHOLES.

    And if anyone ever tells you that Planetary Interaction is 'kinda ok for a little bit of isk on the side', they are deceiving you.

    ONE account (with all 3 character slots properly trained) can make over 2 Billion isk per month, just through PI; which only takes 30-60 minutes a day of 'work'.

    mission spamming level 4s for 8 hours a day, every single day, would not even break 2 Billion per month. (that is how the majority of EVE players make their isk)...

  14. #654
    Quote Originally Posted by shewkoi View Post
    The best part of EVE?

    WORMHOLES.

    And if anyone ever tells you that Planetary Interaction is 'kinda ok for a little bit of isk on the side', they are deceiving you.

    ONE account (with all 3 character slots properly trained) can make over 2 Billion isk per month, just through PI; which only takes 30-60 minutes a day of 'work'.

    mission spamming level 4s for 8 hours a day, every single day, would not even break 2 Billion per month. (that is how the majority of EVE players make their isk)...
    Thanks, I'll check it out

  15. #655
    Quote Originally Posted by greysaber View Post
    'starting over' in EVE, is not intelligent. just jump on your 'main', go to one of the races' beginner systems, and do the tutorials.

    read some blogs, read the official forums. figure out exactly what you want to do in the game, and take some time to think.

    'throwing away' 25mil SP is a very, very bad idea. within 1 month, you'll be relearned and refreshed and then you'll just go back to the main anyway; so just do it now.

    EVE is not like wow. you can't blast your way to the top, throw on some epics, and call it good in 5 days. if you completely start over in EVE, you're looking at a bare minimum of 2 months before you can really do anything well at all, and 6 months is more likely. that 6 months you could have your main to over 30 mil SP, and be highly 'back in to it'.
    I found this out when I was about to create the 2nd character. Turns out that my old characters had ways better skills learned than I ever imagined, like full Elite Core Certificates on the main and the alt was able to fly an Orca. I already posted about this but I deleted the post afterwards. Now I'm only wishing they'll take me back to the old Alliance, I think I should be able to get in, as people seem to drop in and out of corps in EVE all the time.

    I also noticed that other players scan your ship more often than say two years ago. I made few trips with an Industrial ship and the Orca and I was scanned multiple times (in High Sec). Is it this new bounty system which made people more daring to scan other player's ships?
    (Last time I played the game I flew a Bestower quite often and never got scanned, or I wasn't notified about a scan, did they change some mechanics like the ship needs to be targeted for a scan?)
    Last edited by dragothica; 2013-01-17 at 06:26 PM.

  16. #656
    CSM minutes are out to read for those who wish:

    http://community.eveonline.com/devbl...log&nbid=74210

    Tbh, I only read the part on Null-Sec and the Economy. Might read other sections at a later stage.

    I do share some of the sentiments, especially about null industry.

  17. #657
    Quote Originally Posted by dragothica View Post
    I found this out when I was about to create the 2nd character. Turns out that my old characters had ways better skills learned than I ever imagined, like full Elite Core Certificates on the main and the alt was able to fly an Orca. I already posted about this but I deleted the post afterwards. Now I'm only wishing they'll take me back to the old Alliance, I think I should be able to get in, as people seem to drop in and out of corps in EVE all the time.

    I also noticed that other players scan your ship more often than say two years ago. I made few trips with an Industrial ship and the Orca and I was scanned multiple times (in High Sec). Is it this new bounty system which made people more daring to scan other player's ships?
    (Last time I played the game I flew a Bestower quite often and never got scanned, or I wasn't notified about a scan, did they change some mechanics like the ship needs to be targeted for a scan?)
    suiciding people carrying lots of isk/worth, has become quite popular.

    i suggest 2 things:

    1.never haul more than 400mil worth of isk/stuff
    2.stay away from jita.

    people may flip out about the jita comment but really, the place is unnecessarily overrated as far as markets go. i've never had an issue using either dodixie or amarr for all my buying/selling needs.

  18. #658
    Quote Originally Posted by shewkoi View Post
    suiciding people carrying lots of isk/worth, has become quite popular.

    i suggest 2 things:

    1.never haul more than 400mil worth of isk/stuff
    2.stay away from jita.

    people may flip out about the jita comment but really, the place is unnecessarily overrated as far as markets go. i've never had an issue using either dodixie or amarr for all my buying/selling needs.
    Oh lawd, number 2 for some many reasons! If I see a contract or local message that isn't a scam there I am surprised. It's the cesspit of the EVE universe.

    Unfortunately quite a few people will only contract in Jita so I have to stop in every now and then.

    Btw it can be safe to haul billions of ISK worth of stuff so long as you're not dumb and plan accordingly, I have a cruiser that is fitted to be super agile and use the MWD cloak trick for hauling low volume valuable cargo. By the time they even see me appear on their overview I am already in warp

  19. #659
    Quote Originally Posted by Schmittay View Post
    I have a cruiser that is fitted to be super agile and use the MWD cloak trick for hauling low volume valuable cargo. By the time they even see me appear on their overview I am already in warp
    You might want to rethink that...

  20. #660
    Quote Originally Posted by Schmittay View Post
    Btw it can be safe to haul billions of ISK worth of stuff so long as you're not dumb and plan accordingly, I have a cruiser that is fitted to be super agile and use the MWD cloak trick for hauling low volume valuable cargo. By the time they even see me appear on their overview I am already in warp
    As most things in EvE, as long as you activate your brain most things can be done with minimal risk. Having said that I only ever moved my T2 HML BPO three times since I won it in the lottery many years back as it's just asking to be unlucky .

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-18 at 03:02 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by kumduh View Post
    Pro guy stacking 5 i-stabs over a healthy mix of nanos and i-stabs. For low sec hauling JF > *.
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