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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Slanderize View Post
    This bill is one that Reid put through, it's just another media circus in the end.
    SOPA was put out there, the dems shit all over it.
    Now CISPA is out, backed by Reid, yet Obama is threatening a veto over it all.
    It's not going to pass, but we still need a LOT of retaliation against it, just to ensure that Obama won't try to push it through in his second term.
    The only way this stays out is if either Romney gets in for his first term, or the Dems get freaked out that if Obama passed it on his second term, it'd fuck their party for the next presidency.

    Go ahead and google how much money Reid got for supporting this bill and making the younger democrats support it

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    Quote Originally Posted by namelessone View Post
    Gods, I HATE when they mention "protection of the children" when discussing bills. It's such a cheap way to make it "appealing", it should be obvious to any moron. I'd love if the made it mandatory to include "protecting the children" as a reason for EVERY bill, so that this retarded practice comes to an end.


    LOL the irony is that when i hear those terms in regards to ANY law i won't trust it and in fact will turn against it. Hell even things like the "Amber Alert Law" as well as the "PROTECT Act" laws were used to censor fictional imagery. Thus we have people being arrested for simpsons porn. Also they were used to get around supreme court rulings that defended such material.

    But yeah the more a bill is advertised as being for "protection" or for "saving the children" the more i question it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiddly View Post
    Just like the "PATRIOT" act; dont vote for it? Clearly in league with the TERORRISTSSS!!
    This one too. I swear even my parents who normally have good reasoning trusted the government with it. I never did.

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-28 at 09:46 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by huey View Post
    He was against the patriot act until he was for it. He was against the individual mandate until he was for it. He would veto the indefinite detention bill until he signed it. It will take more than posturing to make me think this will be any different, especially with all the high profile supporters like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Facebook.

    Republicans will have a hard time selling this as an election point when so many republicans in the house supported bill, and got paid by the lobbyist accordingly. 206 republicans voted yes, 28 voted no. They were very much on the wrong side of this issue, and it'll probably be the same side as the Obama administration. I'm not sure if it'll pass the senate or not but Schumer and Reid got a million between them to support it. McCain got 250K. Boxer got another quarter of a million. That's a lot of leadership getting paid for some results.
    This guy pretty much nailed my worries on the head. Hello 1984.

  3. #143
    http://rt.com/news/microsoft-cispa-cyber-security-232/

    Microsoft read the new amendments and decided they no longer would support CISPA as it was no longer about protection, it was about "Spying" and big brother. good for them, though they never should have trusted it in the first place imo :P

    "By both militarizing the administration of cyber security, creating a broadly based notion of what information can be shared, and allowing the government to use that information in any capacity once it has been obtained, US Representative Ron Paul describing CISPA as "Big Brother writ large."

    A mere two steps away from becoming law, Software freedom activist Richard Stallman told RT CISPA undermines the Constitution by nearly abolishing “people’s right not to be unreasonably searched.”

    “If you store any data in a US company, that company – with few exceptions – is legally required to hand that data over to US government without even a search warrant, so I think both individuals and governments should take precautions to make sure that their citizens’ data is not being handed over to US companies or their foreign subsidiaries, which are also subject to that same hypocritically named Patriot Act," he warned."

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Twiddly View Post
    http://rt.com/news/microsoft-cispa-cyber-security-232/

    Microsoft read the new amendments and decided they no longer would support CISPA as it was no longer about protection, it was about "Spying" and big brother. good for them, though they never should have trusted it in the first place imo :P

    "By both militarizing the administration of cyber security, creating a broadly based notion of what information can be shared, and allowing the government to use that information in any capacity once it has been obtained, US Representative Ron Paul describing CISPA as "Big Brother writ large."

    A mere two steps away from becoming law, Software freedom activist Richard Stallman told RT CISPA undermines the Constitution by nearly abolishing “people’s right not to be unreasonably searched.”

    “If you store any data in a US company, that company – with few exceptions – is legally required to hand that data over to US government without even a search warrant, so I think both individuals and governments should take precautions to make sure that their citizens’ data is not being handed over to US companies or their foreign subsidiaries, which are also subject to that same hypocritically named Patriot Act," he warned."

    Yay microsoft! Now we just need facebook to grow a pair finally and stop worrying about just there own asses, but the freedom of the internet as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auguine View Post
    Yay microsoft! Now we just need facebook to grow a pair finally and stop worrying about just there own asses, but the freedom of the internet as a whole.
    Pretty sure the hell hole that is facebook would go to shit immediately once the internet becomes heavily regulated, no sharing videos of your dog because its wearing a collar with a copyrighted logo on it and then suddenly the fbi is raiding your home for copyright infringement because big brother knows your address, friends, habits, name, probably your credit card info (im 99% sure there was some shit passed that required all encryption services being provided be breakable by the company giving out the services for "national security" or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methanar View Post
    Pretty sure the hell hole that is facebook would go to shit immediately once the internet becomes heavily regulated, no sharing videos of your dog because its wearing a collar with a copyrighted logo on it and then suddenly the fbi is raiding your home for copyright infringement because big brother knows your address, friends, habits, name, probably your credit card info (im 99% sure there was some shit passed that required all encryption services being provided be breakable by the company giving out the services for "national security" or something.

    They do not seem to care, as they think that CISPA removes any liablity they have regarding anything any of there posters says or does.

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-30 at 12:04 AM ----------

    And I have never had a facebook or seen a reason to. I have friends that i talk to in real life. If they are far away we can talk on the phone or even instant message..they do not need to know that I came home from work and had a sandwich and drank a scotch. :P (Just my opinion)

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-30 at 12:06 AM ----------

    And I have never had a facebook or seen a reason to. I have friends that i talk to in real life. If they are far away we can talk on the phone or even instant message..they do not need to know that I came home from work and had a sandwich and drank a scotch. :P (Just my opinion)

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