Panda starting areas Vs rest of the MMO genre...

[Adonkavic]

What I'm most disappointed about is how the hell did YOU got a beta invite before me and u don't even care for the game. If all I cared about in WoW was the starting zones I would've quit ages ago. Just don't play the game if you're so concerned

[chrisisvacant]

you think talent trees are choice? Then I imagine you think choosing to be Sith v. Twi'lek is choice as well.

Hint, it's not.

Oh, it's a choice. Those are all choices. Like one chooses to squeeze a fart out harder or softer, etc. They are simply not meaningful choices. And that is what WOW has on SWTOR at the moment.

SWTOR wants the illusion of lots of meaningful choices. Blizz realized players don't really give a shit about a fuckload of meaningless choices that a huge portion of the playerbase simply cannot grasp - ever.

[roflpot]

The most dissapointing part with WOW ofc... there is no choise anymore. PPL start with ONE ability.

Try levelling as a paladin in vanilla o_O

[mistuhbull]

my entourage when meeting the alliance king felt way too eager to consider their co-pandas who joined the horde, be they friends or loved ones, to be mortal enemies XD

That bugged me as well on Horde side, though at least Ji is like "I...guess so". More of a sure, whatever you say, than actually agreeing

[ScottsdaleHokie]

Clearly that has translated into a bigger subscriber base, right?

....No? Oh. :|

Actually it is, Rift's subs are growing and WoW, well, LOL.

[Deadanon]

Clearly that has translated into a bigger subscriber base, right?

....No? Oh. :|

lol - WOW would have lost half of their sub based now in DS if not for Annual pass and giving out free lvl 80s. Talking about desperate... At least the other games are offering content while Blizzard is charging extra for theirs.

[malkara]

I guess you didnt' realise that SWTOR actually has talent trees... So thats player choises that WOW can not offer anymore.

Wow had player choices, but due to lack of change within these choices, people did not call them choices anymore. The same can and probably will be said of SWTOR's so called 'choices'. You could call it an automatic pessimism concerning things that are relatively and subjectively, too old.

[keRmis]

LOL, Rift's end game is 100x better than WoW's. So much more to do it isn't even funny. Also the raids are actually challenging and the prior tier isn't obsolete all of the sudden when a new tier is launched. Never mind the fact the game is getting even better in a couple of weeks with 1.8.

Have fun doing Dragon Soul for another 3-4 months.

The raids were only "challenging" (at least when I played) because of : "if 1 fails everyone dies", it's not hard, you just have to kick the idiot. Generic rifts are sooo repetitive, raids aren't really that much better. And really I don't know if they've fixed the warfronts but it was a freaking joke. What comes of DS, I've cleared it, quite a long time a go. And now I'm playing beta waiting for MoP. Have fun in Rift if you liked it, I didn't.

[SamR]

RE: Inquisitor starting zone. It was pretty boring. I mean, the cut scenes were cool, I guess. But the quest mechanics themselves were stale. The world felt tiny and many times it felt like just a long corridor. Like, you're in this big canyon, but if you look at the map, you realize quickly it's just a large rocky corridor. Contrast that to even Durotar where you can get lost in the side paths.

As for the Inquisitor story:

Kill a few mobs and click on a rock. Wow! Nobody's ever been able to do that before! You're like the greatest trainee in the history of the empire!

LOL, Rift's end game is 100x better than WoW's. So much more to do it isn't even funny. Also the raids are actually challenging and the prior tier isn't obsolete all of the sudden when a new tier is launched. Never mind the fact the game is getting even better in a couple of weeks with 1.8.

Have fun doing Dragon Soul for another 3-4 months.

Didn't HK launch like 5 or 6 months before DS? So Blizzard still has some time after 1.8 launches to match Rift's raid release schedule, no?

[chrisisvacant]

lol - WOW would have lost half of their sub based now in DS if not for Annual pass and giving out free lvl 80s. Talking about desperate... At least the other games are offering content while Blizzard is charging extra for theirs.

It's a business. Think of it like Pokemon. It's Blizz's goal to GET ALL THE POKEMONS.

So far, they have a shit ton of Pokemons. No one else comes close. Still. After almost a decade. Sorry bout it.

[Deadanon]

Try levelling as a paladin in vanilla o_O

Try lvling as paladin today I actually played paladin and lvled as shockadin and healed dungeons in TBC with same build. See.. choises... If ppl have brain then they know how to do it. Sadly BLizzard is not aiming for ppl with brains... then they couldn't milk them with store mounts and same raid dungeon content for minimum of 8 months to build up hype for next expansion... Thats just sad.

[chrisisvacant]

Actually it is, Rift's subs are growing and WoW, well, LOL.

Let me know when they match WoW's. LOL!!!

[mistuhbull]

Actually it is, Rift's subs are growing and WoW, well, LOL.

rift lost 60% of its initial subs over the past year...

[Throrion]

no voiceovers ofc

Yup, you really shouldn't be allowed in a beta ever again. I think that's all to constructively take away from this thread.

[Zardro]

So I desided to play abit of panda starting area today (first 10 lvls). It felt meh in many ways and I expected more tbh. After that I loaded up my free weekend SWTOR pass and played Sith Inq first 10 lvls. And then... I realised how far behind WOW is now.

Lets leave pandas vs sith out of it... cause there is only one winner in terms of baddies there...

But the rest was just sad when it came to WOW. Bla bla bla text of skip and who cares... Quests ... same old same old... no voiceovers ofc.. and still same crappy old voices we have had in the game for years when you click npcs. Names of NPCs are really sad and naive.. getting carrots and childish looking mobs ... It felt made for 10 years old - not even 12 year olds.

And still... Blizzard is gonna be charging new ppl like 100$ for the pack to get to this content... And a sub.

In terms of quality vs price... SWTOR will win all year long. And RIFT would also win it hands down.

The most dissapointing part with WOW ofc... there is no choise anymore. PPL start with ONE ability. And are forced to lvl 90 with under 10 choises. Thats how bad it is.

At the same time both games like RIFT and SWTOR are actually open for making choises on the fly ... it gives the games more value cause players can adjust their character to the play style they like. And if ppl dont like it or get bored.. they can change it. WOW... has zero of that. Big ... fat... zero.

So.. what I learned today is that WOW has totally lost the core that made it intresting. Im not saying other MMOs are that much better... Just saying they are doing things better in core features that make mmo RPG worth playing.

As a annual pass person - I will not be buying MOP based on what I have seen so far. Its simply not worth it - And I only have to dish out half the price compared to those starting to play the game. The value simply is not there anymore.

Sounds like the problem is you, not the game. You've grown bored of WoW and need new shiny objects. As for questing, it's the exact same questing system... funny post none the less.

[ZeroEdgeir]

I guess you didnt' realise that SWTOR actually has talent trees... So thats player choises that WOW can not offer anymore.

Oh yes, but your choice is to follow the cookie-cutter build that achieves the best result (see: WoW at any point pre-MoP), or you are just doing it wrong, in the interest of "choice". (And do note: This is for end-game, not leveling/questing)

WoW's new talent and glyph systems coming in MoP IS actual Choice. The archaic talent tree system is an illusion of choice, when 90% or more of the talents are basically "mandatory".

[Tauror]

Wait, Blizz is introducing choices into WoW and the OP is saying they are taking it? What?

[Taftvalue]

This is nothing new, WoW is old and boring. I was shocked when I started playing Sw:TOR, its in another league really. The reason why I still play WoW casually is achievments and stuff which still makes the game fun.

[Wildmoon]

lol - WOW would have lost half of their sub based now in DS if not for Annual pass and giving out free lvl 80s. Talking about desperate... At least the other games are offering content while Blizzard is charging extra for theirs.

keep dreaming.

[roflpot]

Try lvling as paladin today I actually played paladin and lvled as shockadin and healed dungeons in TBC with same build. See.. choises... If ppl have brain then they know how to do it. Sadly BLizzard is not aiming for ppl with brains... then they couldn't milk them with store mounts and same raid dungeon content for minimum of 8 months to build up hype for next expansion... Thats just sad.

I was using paladins as an example because levelling in vanilla was pretty much just auto attack with 1 other button. If you wanted to do anything at max level you had to heal and that was that. No choice AT ALL.

From level 10 now you can be whatever you want, level however you want and do whatever you want at the end game. To say we have less choice now is ridiculous.