Random BGs with adults & kids/teens

[Wendyclear]

Was just in a random eye of the storm BG as Alliance in I think the Nightfall battlegroup (Kel'Thuzad) and of course we get stomped with people fighting in mid like the idiots they are. This is the 3rd day of BGing where I lose back to back to back. I know every side has its wins and losses, but it seems like we lose way more than we win. Now this isn't another "omg alliance sucks wtfbgs" thread, I have a question I want to ask.

I try to pick time frames in which I think more adults (I'm 25) will be playing more than kids/teens. There really doesn't seem to be a time, it's more luck. But anyway, when I'm in BGs like the one I mentioned above, and I see this epic derping going on, I have say to myself, "I refuse to believe adults are this freaking stupid and bad." Sometimes I make a comment in BG chat like, "Oh, the kids must be home from school." Then ofc people rage and say age has nothing to do with it. So finally, my question is, "Do you think it has to be more kids/teens than adults causing the derping in all the BGs?" I ask because as a normal (if there is such a thing), educated adult, I am very aware and knowledgeable in a BG setting. I read chat, I look at my map, I type incomings and try to organize people, etc. In my experience over the years playing WoW, mostly every adult I've met wants to play the game correctly and wants to win. I would think kids/teens just want to blow up scoreboards and beat the shit out of people rather than play constructively. I know, I know, this isn't true of every adult and not every kid/teen is a bad, but in reality, wouldn't you expect more out of adults? If you're an adult, look at yourself and ask yourself if you like to beat the shit out of things on the road or play constructively and "properly" to win? I really do think age matters at the end of the day and I like to think it shows with the terrible BGs I experience for hours on end. And yes, when the time comes, I will join a pvp guild to avoid such messes, but until then, I like to play in BGs as I level, even though 90% of them make me want to tear my eyes out and eat them.

Please no trollful comments or L2p garbage. I think it's a legitimate and interesting question.

[Valkiri]

Was just in a random eye of the storm BG as Alliance in I think the Nightfall battlegroup (Kel'Thuzad) and of course we get stomped with people fighting in mid like the idiots they are. This is the 3rd day of BGing where I lose back to back to back. I know every side has its wins and losses, but it seems like we lose way more than we win. Now this isn't another "omg alliance sucks wtfbgs" thread, I have a question I want to ask.

I try to pick time frames in which I think more adults (I'm 25) will be playing more than kids/teens. There really doesn't seem to be a time, it's more luck. But anyway, when I'm in BGs like the one I mentioned above, and I see this epic derping going on, I have say to myself, "I refuse to believe adults are this freaking stupid and bad." Sometimes I make a comment in BG chat like, "Oh, the kids must be home from school." Then ofc people rage and say age has nothing to do with it. So finally, my question is, "Do you think it has to be more kids/teens than adults causing the derping in all the BGs?" I ask because as a normal (if there is such a thing), educated adult, I am very aware and knowledgeable in a BG setting. I read chat, I look at my map, I type incomings and try to organize people, etc. In my experience over the years playing WoW, mostly every adult I've met wants to play the game correctly and wants to win. I would think kids/teens just want to blow up scoreboards and beat the shit out of people rather than play constructively. I know, I know, this isn't true of every adult and not every kid/teen is a bad, but in reality, wouldn't you expect more out of adults? If you're an adult, look at yourself and ask yourself if you like to beat the shit out of things on the road or play constructively and "properly" to win? I really do think age matters at the end of the day and I like to think it shows with the terrible BGs I experience for hours on end. And yes, when the time comes, I will join a pvp guild to avoid such messes, but until then, I like to play in BGs as I level, even though 90% of them make me want to tear my eyes out and eat them.

Please no trollful comments or L2p garbage. I think it's a legitimate and interesting question.

It's random bgs, I know I will (most of the time) be grouped with people that run around and do random shit or just generally suck, therefor I run around and roflstomp the bg instead of doing the actual objectives. I'm a teenager, but I can't see how this has ANYTHING to do with it at all.

[Pryyde]

I'm fourteen and I watch my chat, map, call out incomings and do play both offense and defense while never raging or insulting my team.

I also frequently achieve top damage done while completing objectives such as carrying the flag or defending points, or whatever the map calls for.

Age has nothing to do with it, experience does. Younger folk are more likely to be newer to the game, but its not the age that causes issues.

At least, that's my 2copper as a six year veteran.

[Arearda]

I'm fourteen and I watch my chat, map, call out incomings and do play both offense and defense while never raging or insulting my team.

I also frequently achieve top damage done while completing objectives such as carrying the flag or defending points, or whatever the map calls for.

Age has nothing to do with it, experience does. Younger folk are more likely to be newer to the game, but its not the age that causes issues.

At least, that's my 2copper as a six year veteran.

This.

There are plenty of people in their 20's and 30's who play this game and still only care about blowing up scoreboards. There are people who play drunk, high and even had a guy claiming he was on acid once. In those cases, those people really don't care. They just wanna go in and wipe out some enemies and give no thought to goals.

I'm 23 and am "win-oriented". Meaning I do what I have to to win. I don't derp around on roads, I watch flags, guard FC etc. The only time I ever stop thinking about the goal of a BG is when it is clear we will not win. At that point, I just go farm HK's until the timer is out.

[Flaks]

I'm seriously sick of people calling out bad players on age. I bet if someone did a survey the vast majority of "bad players" would be between 18-25 (because that's the average of the WoW player). I myself am 21 and have my fair share of acting ridiculously "childish" in this game.

That said, I HAVE noticed that I get fairer games at certain times of the day (usually late afternoon and NEVER ON THE WEEKENDS). Weekends are absolutely terrible. ESPECIALLY if you're queueing for the call to arms bg. Random bg, even on AV weekend, is the way to go.

[Buryit]

Nightfail makes me ill everyday trying to do the daily as Horde, yes the flagtards have no clue.

[RemJay24]

Just wanted to respond and say, "this has nothing to do with what Battle group you are in." Battle groups no longer exist. Any server of players can come across each other (much like LFG or LFR).

[Fhi]

“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

- C. S. Lewis

[Goldscar]

It's random bgs, I know I will (most of the time) be grouped with people that run around and do random shit or just generally suck, therefor I run around and roflstomp the bg instead of doing the actual objectives. I'm a teenager, but I can't see how this has ANYTHING to do with it at all.

While I disagree, I think this is the attitude of a lot of random bg's players. Regardless of age.

[Eowenn]

In all honesty, I tend to find the worst players are the adults. Most of the kids that I see playing have a lot more free time and have more experience with the game. I must say. Id say 4/5 bad players I see are over the age of 20. But then again, everybody is different. Still, I don't think its very fair to match age with skill.

As far as expecting better playing from adults, I don't expect it at all. Most adults have the idea of "It's just a game" and more of the younger players become more involved.

[Mormolyce]

Age isn't the problem. People who refuse to work together or do the BG mechanics properly are, and they can be any age.

There isn't a good time to list for a BG, random groups are random. If there was then the same would apply to the opposing team anyway. If you want to beat the odds get together a group of 4 other dedicated PVP players.

P.S. A common misconception among people who pug EoTS a lot is that the flag is worthless and you should always go for a 3-cap. This is because they've been with a lot of teams that send too many to the middle. The real way to play EoTS is to adapt to the tactics of your opponents - if they send lots to the middle you take bases from them, if they are weak in the middle you chain run flags (with intelligent FCs who will hold the flag if necessary, and people who don't waste time getting to the middle when the FC is running to cap).

[fearcazic]

I have say to myself, "I refuse to believe adults are this freaking stupid and bad." Sometimes I make a comment in BG chat like, "Oh, the kids must be home from school." Then ofc people rage and say age has nothing to do with it. .

I actually think its the adults that are bad. I'm 37 I can care less if I win or lose. I have more important things to worry about. I win 80% of the time when I'm with my cousin. Other times I just join to kill some bad hordes that was struggling behind. I care less if we win or lose. I go for the weak single people out in the open.

My reasoning for this is because when I pug with a bunch of teenagers we actually clear DS in 2 hours pre-nerf. My guild full of working adults are slow as hell. I killed Madness on 3 of my 4 toons in a pug (pre-nerf) before our guild finally downed it (post nerf).

Also adults probably don't take any orders shouted in BG because they think the kids are telling them what to do. As for me, I don't even have my chat window open in BG. Everything I need are spoken in Vent if I want to win.

[foxHeart]

“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

- C. S. Lewis

Is today "Let's quote CS Lewis because we think it makes us look smart Day"? Seriously, enough with that dumb quote already. The guy wrote children's books for Christ's sake and it also has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. This is about whether or not adults are better players, not "hur dur are pandarenz childish???"

OT: Kids are no more likely to play horribly than adults. I've run into plenty of adults who were absolutely clueless about how do do anything but type "" in chat. That was the extent of their prowess. The rest of the time they keyboard turned in circles and did 3k hps or just auto-shotted the whole time or found some way to new way to die that I hadn't thought possible until that point. Also, idk how you can attribute 90% of your games being frustrating to kid players when you have no idea who is behind that computer...

[Snuggli]

It's random bgs, I know I will (most of the time) be grouped with people that run around and do random shit or just generally suck, therefor I run around and roflstomp the bg instead of doing the actual objectives. I'm a teenager, but I can't see how this has ANYTHING to do with it at all.

Hah, no way. I know the Alliance hunter in your signature. Small world.

OT: While I agree with you mostly, I think the whole age topic is a huge generalisation when it's mostly down to the individual.

I've played WoW since I was 13 and back then I didn't say much in chat, I had the wrong spec, the wrong gear and the wrong rotation but I still took advice and wanted to succeed at anything I did. I had a few friends (who I met online - and were the same age) who behaved pretty much the same as me. We were a bunch of 'kids' who played the game like it was supposed to be played and didn't troll or trash talk in BGs because simply, it's not something most people do.

Without writing a wall of text, what I'm trying to say is: Yes, kids are really stupidly annoying. However, not all kids are like it.. and I think there is more kids who aren't like it who play WoW than most of us realise.

Also, just another point, most of them people who get all up in your grill and troll in BG chats aren't kids, but teenagers. Any younger than 15 and they aren't really smart enough to answer back with anything other than 'my dad will beet up ur dad'.

[PhillieB]

Early mornings and after 23:00 on weekdays it's a huge difference at least in my battlegroup (EU) now if this is related to less kids / teens playing I have no idea but....

[EdisonTrent]

Mmm... I really don't like the russian roulette nature of random BGs (yet lack the dedication to join an RBG team, really not intent on changing my spec) really wish there were a personal ranking system or similar so it'd be less haphazard.

Heck, I'd endure much longer queue times if it meant a chance to have more even matches than back and forth steamrolls.

[Malgru]

It's funny, cause I play on Nightfall too. In the past three days, I've done BGs for 2-3 hours a day and have not lost more than 2 per day.

Maybe its cause I'm full cataclysmic. And 15.

[wynterlyn]

Was just in a random eye of the storm BG as Alliance in I think the Nightfall battlegroup (Kel'Thuzad) and of course we get stomped with people fighting in mid like the idiots they are. This is the 3rd day of BGing where I lose back to back to back. I know every side has its wins and losses, but it seems like we lose way more than we win. Now this isn't another "omg alliance sucks wtfbgs" thread, I have a question I want to ask.

I try to pick time frames in which I think more adults (I'm 25) will be playing more than kids/teens. There really doesn't seem to be a time, it's more luck. But anyway, when I'm in BGs like the one I mentioned above, and I see this epic derping going on, I have say to myself, "I refuse to believe adults are this freaking stupid and bad." Sometimes I make a comment in BG chat like, "Oh, the kids must be home from school." Then ofc people rage and say age has nothing to do with it. So finally, my question is, "Do you think it has to be more kids/teens than adults causing the derping in all the BGs?" I ask because as a normal (if there is such a thing), educated adult, I am very aware and knowledgeable in a BG setting. I read chat, I look at my map, I type incomings and try to organize people, etc. In my experience over the years playing WoW, mostly every adult I've met wants to play the game correctly and wants to win. I would think kids/teens just want to blow up scoreboards and beat the shit out of people rather than play constructively. I know, I know, this isn't true of every adult and not every kid/teen is a bad, but in reality, wouldn't you expect more out of adults? If you're an adult, look at yourself and ask yourself if you like to beat the shit out of things on the road or play constructively and "properly" to win? I really do think age matters at the end of the day and I like to think it shows with the terrible BGs I experience for hours on end. And yes, when the time comes, I will join a pvp guild to avoid such messes, but until then, I like to play in BGs as I level, even though 90% of them make me want to tear my eyes out and eat them.

Please no trollful comments or L2p garbage. I think it's a legitimate and interesting question.

I don't think it has anything to do with age but rather people's preferences for each faction. I've played on Nightfall originally from Doomhammer. Nightfall was supposed to be the best Alliance BG before all the merges. However, alliance pretty much suck 24x7 in that BG.

Alliance has always been the goofball faction when compared to the Horde. The Horde are generally plain out more competitive than the Alliance. Most of the time you will find the Alliance filled with immature people irrespective of the age. Even if you look at the wowprogress page. The Horde PVP realms have always dominated the top 10 spots. It follows through in PVP. However, it doesn't hold true in Arenas because there isn't "randomness" involved. Just like an Alliance premade can dominate a Horde random group. However, I've been in Alliance premades that have gotten stomped by Horde Random Groups.

I don't think it has anything to do with age but rather than peoples characteristics and personality. For example I've noticed the Alliance troll like 100 times more than the Horde and it isn't even funny. On the Alliance you will find a lot of attention seeking retards. However, on the Horde the trolls are at least funny and entertaining.

[Cyberowl]

Sometimes I make a comment in BG chat like, "Oh, the kids must be home from school."

If you would do that with me in the same BG I would tell you that you are mentally backward if you even thing that it has to do with age. The average teenager I met plays so much better than the average adult I played with and people like you make me angry, because they thing they can relate skill to age.

[Kiasari]

I'm 28, and am convinced age has nothing to do with it. The two best players I've met on WoW were a 15 year old warrior and a 19 year old warlock. Maybe the ratio of younger people is higher in bad players, but you can't label them as all bad or you'll limit yourself from encountering and befriending the good (mature) ones!