PVPers and PVEers ratio

[Maniac2]

Im a bit surprised by how many ppl reacted on "no-rated-WZ in 1.2" like its end of the world...

What do you think whats the ratio between pvpers and pvers in TOR at lvl 50?
By pvpers I mean ppl who only pvp, not raiders or FP grinders who pvp in meantime.

[Asmodian]

No-rated-WZ in 1.2 - horrible for pvp, 4 boss raid without nightmare mode - bad for pve.

[GallowsZA]

Im a bit surprised by how many ppl reacted on "no-rated-WZ in 1.2" like its end of the world...

What do you think whats the ratio between pvpers and pvers in TOR at lvl 50?
By pvpers I mean ppl who only pvp, not raiders or FP grinders who pvp in meantime.

What if the feature that had been dropped was UI Customization? Or the new Flashpoint? Or Legacy? Would it then have been understandable?

They should have delayed the entire patch, and released it when they were ready.

[jammyd]

They left it out just for all the doomsayers to get jacked for shits and giggles

In biowere i trust my monthly sub so fuck you wow cunts

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[Venant]

Bioware apologists are just as bad as Blizzard apologists. As consumers we need to hold their feet to the fire, they aren't running an MMO because they are nice guys, they are running a business with the objective of you paying them money for that service. If your Electricity turned off for 15 minutes out of every hour, you would be pissed off at your utility company. If your MMO producer fails to come through on 25% of the patch they are releasing, you should be equally pissed off at them.

I suppose you can say 'well how about they just don't release the patch.' To which I say, if they aren't going to provide amazing service in the highly competitive MMO Market their business is going to suffer.

[gend]

Im a bit surprised by how many ppl reacted on "no-rated-WZ in 1.2" like its end of the world...

What do you think whats the ratio between pvpers and pvers in TOR at lvl 50?
By pvpers I mean ppl who only pvp, not raiders or FP grinders who pvp in meantime.

Meh vocal minority effect. (Always happens.)

People need to face the fact that rated PvP is a feature like hardcore raiding, tailored for the few ... and not the many. Thus these features are likely to get dropped or postponed.

On topic:
I also think the amount of players who play the game mainly to PvP is rather small compared to the whole community. Not just in TOR but also in WoW and almost all other games.

Think about it. The first feature Blizzard would cut in WoW would probably be rated BGs as well. I mean they even cut all PvP (at launch) out of D3.

In games that are centered around a big community of lots of casual players serious PvP will never be an extremely prominent feature for most of the players unless the game is solely tailored for it (like LoL or SC for example).

[GallowsZA]

Meh vocal minority effect. (Always happens.)

People need to face the fact that rated PvP is a feature like hardcore raiding, tailored for the few ... and not the many. Thus these features are likely to get dropped or postponed.

On topic:
I also think the amount of players who play the game mainly to PvP is rather small compared to the whole community. Not just in TOR but also in WoW and almost all other games.

Think about it. The first feature Blizzard would cut in WoW would probably be rated BGs as well. I mean they even cut all PvP out of D3.

In games that are centered around a big community of lots of casual players serious PvP will never be an extremely prominent feature for most of the players unless the game is solely tailored for it (like LoL or SC for example).

Please supply your source and how you determined what portion of the community participates in what.

[skitzin]

The reality is that when you promise something and then suddenly and quite last minute change your mind on it will cause outrage over it. Its like the second law of thermodynamics in that sense, you can bet on it.

Many of companies have done it over the years and yes people use whatever medium is available to project their opinions on the matter. Personally I am disappointed by the move myself as I felt that existing content is quite restricted as it is and that pvp particular is more a grind then a challenge. Thats to say top end PvP gear is more of a "when you get it" than a test of skill.

[Vexies]

Its a classic example of screwed no matter what you do for them. Honestly they did the right thing by delaying it as it would of been a even larger shit storm to release it when it was obviously flawed. However, I dont really understand how they could of thought that releasing such a feature without being supported by cross server queing could of worked anyway.

The community couldn't be more filled with horrible examples of what today's gaming market have become and any perceived mistake will be magnified 100 times over due to the pervasive desire to paint the latest "cool to hate" game by virtue of there association with EA. If anything it just shows how passionate people are over this game and that at least shows it has impact. It is just unfortunate as I was hoping, however foolishly, to get through this patching cycle with out some butt hurt from some portion of the community but I now see that, that was extreme wishful thinking on my part.

[gend]

Please supply your source and how you determined what portion of the community participates in what.

Well there is no "source" it's just basic deduction and opinion. (As pointed out by "I also think ..." .)

There is no source for TOR. There was a vote on MMO about how many people seriously participate in rated BGs a while ago. (I'm too lazy to dig it up.) There also was a statistics article shortly after about the participation in rated bgs by digging through the armory.

Since I think that the communities of WoW and TOR are somewhat similar (oh now there will be flames to no end about which comunity is more adult, smarter, nicer and what not) I thought that the interests would be similar since the game is similar as well.

So far goes the deduction from statistics of 3rd party websites.

The second thing is personal experience. From the roughly 100 to 200 people I know that play or played TOR (as a matter of fact all of them play or played WoW at one point I might add) only a very small percentage is interested in organized large scale PvP while small scale PvP is rather popular.

The 3rd is "hindsight" reasoning. As I do belive Bethesda to be a highly efficiant company I also belive they have a crapton of people that are just trying to figre out what people "want". If one feature gets cut it either means a) it was too much work or b) not enough people "want" it. (Usually if something gets dropped it's a combination.) Rated warzones got dropped so yea ...

[GallowsZA]

Well there is no "source" it's just basic deduction and opinion. (As pointed out by "I also think ..." .)

There is no source for TOR. There was a vote on MMO about how many people seriously participate in rated BGs a while ago. (I'm too lazy to dig it up.) There also was a statistics article shortly after about the participation in rated bgs by digging through the armory.

Since I think that the communities of WoW and TOR are somewhat similar (oh now there will be flames to no end about which comunity is more adult, smarter, nicer and what not) I thought that the interests would be similar.

So far goes the deduction from statistics of 3rd party websites.

The second thing is personal experience. From the roughly 100 to 200 people I know that play or played TOR (as a matter of fact all of them play or played WoW at one point I might add) only a very small percentage is interested in organized large scale PvP while small scale PvP is rather popular.

Armory? Are you sure you are completely lucid?

So you are using 200 people as a sample for more than a million?

[Arlee]

It's not as simple as how many people do PvE and how many do PvP because there are certainly people who do both and for whom changes to either is a big deal.