10M Heroic Hagara

[redthunder]

So my guild has been trying to down Heroic Hagara but everytime someone gets 1 shot by shattered ice and we have no idea how to prevent this from happening our lowest attempt was 13% and we wiped because me(spriest) got killed and could not help the hunter i was paired with so he also died at the start of our Bloodlust, so my question is is there a way to advoid shattered ice damage or atleast not get 1 shot by it?

[Beartank]

she only does shattered ice on people in a 180 degree cone in front of her. so the tank needs to be pulling her away from the group toward the edge to prevent it.

[Gurushockin]

That or get shamans to drop grounding totem,. That's what I do, I can get every other. Ntm, if you just don't take more than 3-4 stacks on the ice lance, you wont get 1 shot.

[redthunder]

will a dk's dark simulacrum also stop the damage alltogether or just make it so the dk would get an extra spell?

---------- Post added 2012-04-13 at 12:58 PM ----------

bump please i still don't know how to handle it because we have no shaman and if it is in a 180 degrees angle then if we pull the boss out how can the healers still heal the tank if they are tanking the lines?

[Azshira]

Tank the boss at the edge of the platform, we usually had her only a few yards away from where a crystal would spawn if it was on the ice phase for example, so it's a quick switch between. We usually had her to the right area near where the crystal would spawn near the entrance to the room (right being as you look at her standing when you come from the entrance). If you have the tank squashed at the edge you can soak everything without the ice 1-shotting a random person. Don't worry about ice that occurs during a pull etc, no one will have debuffs and won't get 1shot. Be very careful when positioning for ice lances that the tank doesn't turn the boss toward a group or she could possibly one shot them, we've had this happen in the past. The tank MAY need to re-position her if an ice lance spawns too close, thereby making the team needing to be within the frontal cone of the tank.

Good extra tip to make the lances target people 'correctly' is have only melee people within about 20 yards of her, so the ice lances will target the melee (including tank), ensuring a very simple soak from the ranged/healer groups. Should make shattered ice less problematic also.

[StupidPanda]

We had a lot of trouble with ice lances in my casual 10 man, people weren't used to communicating and adapting to the situation which is all it's about. We changed our strategy, having the whole raid fan out in 180 degrees behind the boss, and having 9 people trading the ice lances in the back with the tank taking any in the front, asking for cooldowns when necessary.

[Demez]

will a dk's dark simulacrum also stop the damage alltogether or just make it so the dk would get an extra spell?

---------- Post added 2012-04-13 at 12:58 PM ----------

bump please i still don't know how to handle it because we have no shaman and if it is in a 180 degrees angle then if we pull the boss out how can the healers still heal the tank if they are tanking the lines?

How on earth could dark simulacrum stop damage from anything? It copies a fully casted spell, it doesnt do anything defensive.

[PalawinFC]

If, for some reason, you can't position everyone behind the boss. And if you can't grounding totem the shattered ice. Then the best way to deal with it is to make sure that whoever is in front of the boss does not go over 3/4 stacks of ice lance. They can do this by dipping in/out of the stream.
IF the stream is targeting them (cannot dip out) they can run to the other side of the boss or find someone behind them to soak some stacks for them.

[Defines]

Have your tank position himself on the very edge of the platform, where the invisible walls are, that way they'll be the only people getting hit by shattered ice. Additionally, you should have enough range in your composition for healers to almost never have to tank hits of Ice Lance. Your range and healers must be approx. 40 yards a way from Hagara to not get targeted by Ice Lances. (The last point is what my guild has observed after killing it from the second week -> now).

Damage calculations on Shattered Ice are wrong regardless of what anyone says. During 2nd week of progression we had people getting hit 180k with no stacks on them at all. >_>"

[Andycandy]

And if you are like my guild and don't give a shit about positionating, just make sure that nobody has over 6 stacks of that ice-lance thingy, it increases frost damage taken by 25% per hit.

Shattered ice hits for 100,000 frost damage -> do the math.

[Dorfie]

And if you are like my guild and don't give a shit about positionating, just make sure that nobody has over 6 stacks of that ice-lance thingy, it increases frost damage taken by 25% per hit.

Shattered ice hits for 100,000 frost damage -> do the math.

250k damage doesn't sound survivable

[Qualia]

Have your tank position himself on the very edge of the platform, where the invisible walls are, that way they'll be the only people getting hit by shattered ice. Additionally, you should have enough range in your composition for healers to almost never have to tank hits of Ice Lance. Your range and healers must be approx. 40 yards a way from Hagara to not get targeted by Ice Lances. (The last point is what my guild has observed after killing it from the second week -> now).

Damage calculations on Shattered Ice are wrong regardless of what anyone says. During 2nd week of progression we had people getting hit 180k with no stacks on them at all. >_>"

Just add an extra bit to this post, if the tank pull her to the invisible walls and the tank is the only one who is in front of her, she won't even cast Shattered Ice. On both my 25s and 10s alt, the DK tanks just soak all the hit of Ice Lance if one happens to spawn behind him. I've never seen Hagara casted Shattered Ice with the exceptions of the Shattered Ice casts when the tanks are pulling her to position.