DPS self healing should be removed.

[lyxx]

Ret self healing is horrible. Granted ret can heal others pretty well but that is not even that great ethier.

Ret healing usually means you sacrifice your dps for healing - it's 100% tradeoff and req. some conditions (Holy Power) i would say it's op when you heal others - especially with CD up but it's pathetic when you try self healing (bandage heal for more).

There is really simple solution if Blizzard would choose to remove healing from dps class - "Victory Rush" like ability for everyone - lvling/grinding problem solved.

[BloodchargedIllidan]

Some self - heals are a tad much in a PvP scenario (Recuperate, I'm, looking at you), but I remember levelling my rogue in the final months of vanilla was not a smooth or painless experience. My second rogue rogue which I rolled after the pre-Cata patch were Recuperate was introduced was much better and smoother, with very little downtime in comparison. I've not paid too much attention to all of the classes notes for MoP changes, but I know my SPriests arsenal of healing spells is getting gutted and Recuperate, I believe, is getting a nerf so it seems to be something Blizzard seem to be tuning for MoP, as opposed to just "removing them". What the OP seems to forget is PvP (where, arguably, DPS self-healing has the most impact) is not the only aspect of the game; but considering he actually listed mages( who have a lengthy glyphed CD with Evocation and a specced and risky Cauterize/Iceblock as their limit) as one of the worst offenders of self-healing I don't hold out much hope for the OPs reasoning of logic.

3 minute CD is lengthy? Cauterize is risky? Do you even PVP at all?

[Woceip]

Your frustration with self-heals is probably born out of your desire to 1v1 people down. I got news for you, pvp isn't designed that way. Move on, find some people you like playing with whose classes compliment yours, and get back to having fun.

[Deleted]

3 minute CD is lengthy? Cauterize is risky? Do you even PVP at all?

Last time I looked at my mage Evocation at 3 minutes was one of his more lengthy cooldowns and if you forced a mage to Evocate and havnt killed him in 3 mins (which heals for only 40% per cooldown)well you just suck I'm afraid. And read Cauterize's talent description for why I said it was risky. Do you even play this game at all?

[Anjerith]

Nuff said really. It's retarded how much a rogue or warlock can heal themselves for. Same goes for a warrior. I mean they are dpsers why do they need self healing?

Healers should be doing the healing.........

Its completely retarded how a mage can heal to full hp wil evocation.

Hunters have Chimera Shot and Spirit Mend as well, you forgot those.


I disagree with you though, OP. As anyone who plays these classes will tell you, there is significant downsides to using our Healing abilities in the form of CD's and DPS losses.

Hell, a well placed Mortal Strike debuff (available to most classes now) will negate the majority of the effect. If you can't burst down a Warlock or Rogue with that on them then I really can't help you.

Also, I sincerely hope we are past the point in the games lifespan where simply removing a PvE or PvP mechanic entirely is the solution.

[Jantasir]

Last time I looked at my mage Evocation at 3 minutes was one of his more lengthy cooldowns and if you forced a mage to Evocate and havnt killed him in 3 mins (which heals for only 40% per cooldown)well you just suck I'm afraid. And read Cauterize's talent description for why I said it was risky. Do you even play this game at all?

is there something i'm missing.. isnt the cd on evo 4 mins unless you're arcane in which case its 2 mins?

[JohnBrown1917]

Except Arena isn't the be-all, end-all for PvP. Nor is it an accurate measurement of the balancing needed for classes. There's a lot wrong with that type of gameplay and even more with those who use it as a basis for their arguments.

The only place warlocks aren't that are random BG's(unless you form a premade/semi-premade), while in comptetive PvP they are among the strongest classes.
I really don't see the problem.

[Deleted]

Yeah take it out or give mage self healing then please. ANd i don't mean à 5sec channeling 4mn cd that gives nothing at all.

[asharia]

warrior healing needs to be nerfed, and mage needs more self heals

yeah, cos warrior is so overpowered right now, and mage is so shit.

[Deleted]

Far too much trolling and flaming, as per usual. Topic wasn't all too constructive to begin with anyway.

Closed.