the intro to alliance/horde for pandaren

[Alewen]

So I've played through the pandaren starting area now 4 times I believe it was. First couple times I went alliance. And it went along pretty much in good spirits for Aysa. We see that the humans are noble, and in many ways, kind. We see the other races throughout the city, showing how unified the alliance is. We see one of every race as well. And Varian himself, gives a speech about how he cannot tolerate friendships across enemy lines. And he tests your fighting skills personally.

Overall, from the pandaren point of view, Aysa doesn't have any regrets. There's some quirks here and there but nothing that is offensive to her or the rest of our pandaren. But then we get to Ji's half, which I just finished. Almost right away the guards tell us they never expected "our kind" to walk into orgrimmar. But for the most part things seem somewhat alright to Ji. Then we get to Garrosh. This is where things start going south. He tells us that anyone who put on the alliance tabard, is now our enemies and we are expected to kill friends and family who went to alliance, on sight (which is worse than what Varian said btw). This obviously makes Ji Hesitant, but he agrees regardless.

Then Garrosh says he has a gift for us. Ji from the looks, was expecting some form of welcome aboard glad to have you gift. And as we walk through the drag, we are told to hurry up that the warchief doesn't like non-orcs walking through this part of the city. And clearly this disturbs Ji greatly. He can't believe the warchief segregates the city. Then when we get to the arena, rather than test us himself, like varian, he sits on a throne up top and sticks 3 giants upon us.

The end result I feel, Aysa, she's pretty happy with her decision to go with the Alliance. But Ji, you can tell Ji is thinking "I think I made a mistake going with these people". So somehow, I suspect Ji will be instrumental when it comes time for us to take out Garrosh. I would not be surprised if he is the one that contacts Aysa and tells her all that has been happening and organizes the horde himself to get Garrosh removed. Because it don't look like Ji is very comfortable right now.

[Trassk]

I don't see what your surprised at here. Basicly, everything that is happening and will happen in mists of pandara is set to show the alliance as the goodie good guys, well showing the horde as the bad guys. Its set up with Garrosh because we will be killing him at the ends of mists.

Everything in recent years with the horde has gone wrong, its as you say, Garrosh causes rifts within the horde as a faction, there is no brotherhood there anymore because of his rule. If Ji Firepaw came into the horde several years before, he would have seen things like tauren, orcs and trolls walking together through orgrimmar as brothers, he would probably have felt that horde was to his liking since they represented honour amoung them allies and still were fearce in battle.

The very fact blizzard are now going out of there way to reverse the two factions is so blood obvious, so instead of the horde being a group banded together as brothers, they are split and the horde feels cruel and divided, where as now the allience feels like there all friendly with you and nice and meaningful, just to protray the hordes decay as a faction and the alliances growth amoung them.

Garrosh also shows himself as a tyrent, and something of a coward. This is all as you should expect, the whole point at the end of mists will be that the horde itself turns on Garrosh and his rule right along with the alliance. And yeah, I'm one of those guys who wises to see the horde like it was when they stood together like brothers.

[Dreknar20]

Doesnt Varian also say that you will have to attack/kill some of your brothers and sisters that decided to join Horde?

And it isnt the whole point of taking away Garrosh's title is so the Horde can revert back to the true "noble-savages" they were before

Currently Garrosh is a war-hero, and his stance on war over diplomacy in regards to the Alliance has only made him more popular.
Thats the exciting part of this expansion, to see what exactly does Garrosh do that makes him lose support

It seems MoP lore on release will mainly focus on Pandaria and there internal problems ( all 3 raids deal with Pandaria)
I gues te patches after will heavily dive into the whole Alliance-Horde war

And if u guys have any info or links about the Horde intro quest can u plze share?
I only saw about Alliance intro on WoWhead.

[Alewen]

Doesnt Varian also say that you will have to attack/kill some of your brothers and sisters that decided to join Horde?

And it isnt the whole point of taking away Garrosh's title is so the Horde can revert back to the true "noble-savages" they were before

Currently Garrosh is a war-hero, and his stance on war over diplomacy in regards to the Alliance has only made him more popular.
Thats the exciting part of this expansion, to see what exactly does Garrosh do that makes him lose support

It seems MoP lore on release will mainly focus on Pandaria and there internal problems ( all 3 raids deal with Pandaria)
I gues te patches after will heavily dive into the whole Alliance-Horde war

And if u guys have any info or links about the Horde intro quest can u plze share?
I only saw about Alliance intro on WoWhead.

Nope, Varian doesn't tell you to go out and kill your friends and family. He just basically says that any bonds we had are to be severed because he will not tolerate friendships between enemy lines. Garrosh though says you are to outright slay them on sight. The two contrasts are pretty interesting and Varian, though his words seemed very firm, were pretty tame compared to Garrosh.

[Griffter]

I haven't gotten a chance to play it myself yet, but it seems like this whole "neutral race" idea is really stretching the bounds of believability. Do they give compelling and believable reasons for these Pandaren to suddenly join up with foreign factions and turn on their former friends?

[Dreknar20]

Nope, Varian doesn't tell you to go out and kill your friends and family. He just basically says that any bonds we had are to be severed because he will not tolerate friendships between enemy lines. Garrosh though says you are to outright slay them on sight. The two contrasts are pretty interesting and Varian, though his words seemed very firm, were pretty tame compared to Garrosh.

Well they both are saying the same thing, even if how they say it is differant
"Some of your bretheren have joined the enemy, they are now your enemy and you will treat them as enemies"

Well Garrosh was never known to hold his tounge for sake of political correctness, or to say exaclty what he wants to say

[stomination]

So basically i will kill aysa on sight.

[Trassk]

Listen. The resolve in this will be that despite the paths they have taken, something will bring them together again as friend. I can see Ji and Aysa there in the seige of orgrimmar fighting side by side, that whatever Varian and Garrosh have said, it can't break there friendship, I want this to be explored, because its always bugged the crap out of me how when you have so many races living together on azeroth, that resolves of friendship and even love can't be expressed across both sides, much like you would see between members of other neutral factions like the argents, cenarion circle and earthern ring.

After years of seeing why both sides need reasons to hate and fight each other, its time they did something to give reason why they shouldn't.

[Kazomir]

I believe in the end of mists after Garrosh dies Allies and Hordes will become somewhat friends.

[Venziir]

So all-in-all: Garrosh is a douchebag, a tyrant and crazy.... What else is new?

---------- Post added 2012-04-18 at 09:28 AM ----------

I believe in the end of mists after Garrosh dies Allies and Hordes will become somewhat friends.

No doubt, the unstable truce of Vanilla/TBC/Wotlk will return.

[Kharli]

So I've played through the pandaren starting area now 4 times I believe it was. First couple times I went alliance. And it went along pretty much in good spirits for Aysa. We see that the humans are noble, and in many ways, kind. We see the other races throughout the city, showing how unified the alliance is. We see one of every race as well. And Varian himself, gives a speech about how he cannot tolerate friendships across enemy lines. And he tests your fighting skills personally.

The end result I feel, Aysa, she's pretty happy with her decision to go with the Alliance. But Ji, you can tell Ji is thinking "I think I made a mistake going with these people". So somehow, I suspect Ji will be instrumental when it comes time for us to take out Garrosh. I would not be surprised if he is the one that contacts Aysa and tells her all that has been happening and organizes the horde himself to get Garrosh removed. Because it don't look like Ji is very comfortable right now.

Aysa was a bit uh.. i guess thats oki with Varrian saying "Not all Pandaren have chosen the same path as you three, they along with the other barbarian clans of the Horde, are your new Enemies. Thoes whom you once considered friends, or even thoes you might have loved, are now your sworn adversaries. i will NOT tolerate friendships across enemy lines, do I make my self clear?
Aysa then goes " Yes... of course." there is doubt in that as you can clearly, see, and I do hope Aysa and Ji get special voice actors and that quest actully gets voice lines.(I hope but i don't trust blizzard to do it, sadly enough, and i didn't bring up any of the horde, cause i haven't personly done the horde one)

[Asheriah]

Just watched the Horde intro, and it's definitely not as bad as you make it sound. Garrosh talks about various races of the Horde (even blood elves, yes) and underline how important it is to find your role in the Horde. Also, he didn't clearly say that you had to kill your old friends that became Alliance. He just said they "died" when they put the Alliance tabard. That's more like, "Dude, forget them, they're dead to you now."

The event is actually quite nice, the only part that made me go "What ?" is when an orc tells Ji that Garrosh doesn't like to see non-orcs in a specific section of the city. (And the part where Garrosh yells "IT'S WARCHIEF !" when Ji calls him Emperor. That was unnecessary and made Garrosh look like a total douche)

Now, what I find quite unfair, is the poor choice of words used in the faction selection event, here.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...yourdesti.png/
I think it's quite representative, but the words employed for the Horde text are quite poor. I mean yeah, they're barbaric and some races don't really appreciate each other, but still, they could do something a little less harsh.

[Venziir]

Just watched the Horde intro, and it's definitely not as bad as you make it sound. Garrosh talks about various races of the Horde (even blood elves, yes) and underline how important it is to find your role in the Horde. Also, he didn't clearly say that you had to kill your old friends that became Alliance. He just said they "died" when they put the Alliance tabard. That's more like, "Dude, forget them, they're dead to you now."

The event is actually quite nice, the only part that made me go "What ?" is when an orc tells Ji that Garrosh doesn't like to see non-orcs in a specific section of the city. (And the part where Garrosh yells "IT'S WARCHIEF !" when Ji calls him Emperor. That was unnecessary and made Garrosh look like a total douche)

Now, what I find quite unfair, is the poor choice of words used in the faction selection event, here.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...yourdesti.png/
I think it's quite representative, but the words employed for the Horde text are quite poor. I mean yeah, they're barbaric and some races don't really appreciate each other, but still, they could do something a little less harsh.

Well it's true - Garrosh doesn't want non-orcs about the city, not really a super tolerant person. My biggest issue in regards to the Horde Pandaren intro, is that Sauranok is apparently still alive, despite the fact that he gets killed before the invasion of Twilight Highlands, which is a good time before the Skyfire crashes on the turtle, which leads to the whole Pandaren bit.

[Asheriah]

Well it's true - Garrosh doesn't want non-orcs about the city, not really a super tolerant person. My biggest issue in regards to the Horde Pandaren intro, is that Sauranok is apparently still alive, despite the fact that he gets killed before the invasion of Twilight Highlands, which is a good time before the Skyfire crashes on the turtle, which leads to the whole Pandaren bit.

Wow, just what ? He's alive ?

[Venziir]

Wow, just what ? He's alive ?

"The player, followed by Ji Firepaw, follows Garrosh around Grommash Hold's throne room towards the exit. While they walk, Garrosh has words for the pandaren delegation:
Garrosh Hellscream says: Come with me. We need to talk.
Garrosh Hellscream says: You've made a wise decision to join sides with my Horde.
Garrosh Hellscream says: There are some that would call us barbarians... the "mongrel races" of Azeroth.
Garrosh Hellscream says: They are ignorant, and blind to reality. Look around you, pandaren.
Garrosh halts in front of Sauranok the Mystic.
Garrosh Hellscream says: You will find no better partner in battle than an orc.
Garrosh walks over to Gotura Fourwinds.
Garrosh Hellscream says: The tauren have plenty of uses. Look - this one is a shaman.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Even a blood elf can hold a sword.
Garrosh Hellscream says: My point is, if you want the support of the Horde, you need to find your role in the Horde.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Do you understand this, pandaren?
Ji Firepaw says: Yes, warchief."

So according to Garrosh, dead traitors ARE THE SHIT!

[Asheriah]

How can they explain pandarens meeting with him later when they'll have to go to the TH and kill Sauranok at level 83-84 ? Isn't it supposed to happen way before the whole moving island discovery ? I didn't even realise.

[Requiemcliff]

How can they explain pandarens meeting with him later when they'll have to go to the TH and kill Sauranok at level 83-84 ? Isn't it supposed to happen way before the whole moving island discovery ? I didn't even realise.

H'rm, maybe somebody should send in a bug report regarding it to Blizz.

[Venziir]

How can they explain pandarens meeting with him later when they'll have to go to the TH and kill Sauranok at level 83-84 ? Isn't it supposed to happen way before the whole moving island discovery ? I didn't even realise.

It's a gigantic mess hah.

[jace5869]

Naanaa says the Light is strong in that one during the Alliance video. Is this foreshadowing for Pandaern Paladins soon to come?

[dokhidamo]

I think it serves to show the growing divide between Garrosh's flunkies and the Horde at large. Garrosh doesn't care about anyone but the strongest and only Orcs can be the strongest.

Ji, meanwhile, was shown how great the Horde /could/ be on Shen'Zin Tsu, but the reality is far from the ideal he was shown.