When to lust on Madness 10 hc (tips appreciated too)

[Deleted]

Hey everyone,we have been trying madness for 3 days now http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/189406/ (logs).
We have made it to the 4th platform around 6 times but we never survived long enough to see if the corruption would have died before the 3rd impale.
We make the 1st parasite spawn near the the corruption so we can spellweave both of them.
Now I'm wondering if it's better to not use lust at the beginning and simply lust as soon as the corruption spawns to kill it before/shortly after bolt,to avoid accidental random deaths from bolt+crush.
Do you think that we could beat the cataclysm timer with that dps? (spanzer is the main tank so the warr and he could switch to arms,the shaman should be healing and the lock should switch to destro for replenishment).


Oh and btw does this look ok for 2nd phase.
1)Burn to 17%
2)fragments spawn+terror,kill them and aoe the terror together with the bloods if they are low enough
3)burn to 10% and kill the bloods
4)kill fragments+terrors
5)5% blood and burn
6)savior of azeroth

[Aquamonkey]

There's 2 popular ways of doing it.

1) Lust as soon as Mutated Corruption spawns on 4th platform. Helps kill Parasite fast and prevents 3rd Impale.
2) Lust and burn Limb Tentacle through the 2nd set of Blistering Tentacles. Hard burn to save time by not switching to 2nd set of Blistering Tentacles.

[Shanudis]

We used Hero during Platform 1 and 4 (though we had intended to use it on phase 2, but we fucked some things up on platform 4). But our DPS was pretty high so your mileage may vary.

[Akujiki]

Lust on the pull then lust again when the first parasite spawns on platform four. After that just cross your fingers for an immune on the second platform four parasite.

[Darkfriend]

10m
We use it on the first platform, have 2 DPS burn down last arm to 91%, and on phase 2 after will kill the thingies that shoot the xplosion on people IIRC. (Tired, soory can't think of name)

[Sodium]

During progression, my group originally used it for the parasite on the fourth platform, but as people became more comfortable with the fight, we found that unnecessary. For our first kill and all the farm kills since, we instead save lust for p2, and use it right after the first set of terrors dies, so we can do two rounds of bloods (15% and 10%) before the second set of fragments spawn. Having lust up helps with killing the bloods in time, and getting two rounds between adds helps on both the enrage timer and the burden on healers.

[ujellybrah]

Our group lusts on the first platform, after the 2nd parasite, lust usually ends right after the wing tentacle dies, and then lust again in phase 2 after the 10% adds. Also, we dont bother killing the terrors with the bloods, just burn them down rq, get 15% bloods to pop out, kill them, burn to 12%, wait for next adds, kill them, and burn down to 10% kill bloods, lust, burn to 5% kill bloods, ignore adds, burn DW.


Now as to the 4th platform, the tank that took the first impale should be grabbing the bloods when they spawn and bringing them to the corruption, while the raid aoe's them down to kill the corruption before you get the 3rd impale. if there are any bloods left over, which there shouldnt be, but if there is take them to the parasite and burn down (you dont actually have to kill it, just get it low so it doesnt do a crap ton of damage to everyone) and move on to the wing tentacle. At least thats what works for us.

[Deleted]

Oh and btw does this look ok for 2nd phase.
1)Burn to 17%
2)fragments spawn+terror,kill them and aoe the terror together with the bloods if they are low enough
3)burn to 10% and kill the bloods
4)kill fragments+terrors
5)5% blood and burn
6)savior of azeroth

Try this. It's safer than what you had in mind which is probably a good thing if you do phase 2 for the first time.
1. drop boss to 18%. dmg stop.
2. kill fragments & terrors.
3. drop boss to 15%.
4. kill congealing blood.
5. drop boss to 13%. dmg stop.
6. kill fragments & terrors.
7. drop boss to 10%. use 1 raidcd at 11% (like raidwall or aura mastery).
8. kill congealing blood.
9. burn boss to 5%. use remaining raid cds at 6%.
10. kill congealing blood.
11. kill boss. below 5% boss hp everybody uses dream if they drop low or have shrapnel debuff.

[Deleted]

Try this. It's safer than what you had in mind which is probably a good thing if you do phase 2 for the first time.
1. drop boss to 18%. dmg stop.
2. kill fragments & terrors.
3. drop boss to 15%.
4. kill congealing blood.
5. drop boss to 13%. dmg stop.
6. kill fragments & terrors.
7. drop boss to 10%. use 1 raidcd at 11% (like raidwall or aura mastery).
8. kill congealing blood.
9. burn boss to 5%. use remaining raid cds at 6%.
10. kill congealing blood.
11. kill boss. below 5% boss hp everybody uses dream if they drop low or have shrapnel debuff.

We do it like this:
1. boss to 17%, stop dps.
2. kill fragments and terrors
3. boss to 15% and aoe bloods
4. boss to 7-10% and aoe bloods
5. kill fragments
6. bl when terrors die/spawn (depending on the hp of the boss)
7. kill the boss.


We also use bl on the first platform on the mutated corruption.

[Libertarian]

We use bloodlust between the first and second set of bloods to push deathwing faster in p2. Been doing this since 5% nerf in 10 man. Our dps is very top notch though, so your mileage may vary.

[Reojr]

If you aren't beating the 4th platform yet, you should lust the moment the corruption spawns on the 4th platform. Realistically, the 4th platform is the most difficult part of the encounter. If your group can get to the point where you reliably handle the 4th platform, then P2 will be a joke for you after a few wipes.

I am assuming you are 1-tank 3-healing it, which is probably the easiest way to do it right now (using impale-soakers like Rogues, Hunters, Mages, Shadow Priests, etc). With this comp, you will always have exactly 2 impales per platform. The only one that will be difficult is the last impale on the 4th platform, right as the elementium bolt is hitting as well. Just make sure your tank has full CD's for this one (for example, make sure you don't have your tank take any impales on platform 3, but instead use two soakers).

Also, there seems to be some misinformation on how to handle P2. This is the strategy you should try:

1. P2 starts. Burn Deathwing to 16%-17%.
2. Adds spawn. Kill them.
3. Burn Deathwing to 15%.
4. Bloods spawn. AoE them.
5. Burn Deathwing to 10%.
6. Bloods spawn. AoE them. Adds also spawn at this moment, but only kill them AFTER you kill the 10% bloods.
7. Burn Deathwing to 5%.
8. Bloods spawn. AoE them.
9. Burn Deathwing to 0%, ignoring the 3rd set of adds if they spawn.

The important point of this method is steps 3-6. What you're trying to do is squeeze in two sets of bloods before the second set of normal adds spawn. If you simply wait each time, you will hit enrage.

[Deleted]

There's 2 popular ways of doing it.

1) Lust as soon as Mutated Corruption spawns on 4th platform. Helps kill Parasite fast and prevents 3rd Impale.
2) Lust and burn Limb Tentacle through the 2nd set of Blistering Tentacles. Hard burn to save time by not switching to 2nd set of Blistering Tentacles.

You can also pop it twice, first platform and soon as 10% bloods are dead, you only slow 5% bloods and ignore dps'ing them.
Or you save it for the 10% burst, this is probably not viable for you, since you struggle on 4th platform, during progression we opted for nr 2 above.
But after some tries we decided to just eat aoe on first platform and use dream for parasite aoe.
Which saved us ~30-45 seconds going into 4th platform, and its currently the way we do it, with hero twice, first and 10% burst.

[Deleted]

We usually burn lust at start and then at 10% in P2.

We do P2 like this: Kill frag->kill terrors->kill 15% blood->kill frag->kill terrors->kill 10% blood->kill boss and slow 5% bloods. We end up waiting around 13% health on boss for the frags to spawn, but it's not really an issue because we ignore the last set of adds.

I would not recommend using the "kill terrors doing bloods tactic" unless you have a DK (AMS is a joke!), they have to be kept alive for quite a while and the stacks keep ticking even if the terrors die!

[oberetta]

we found it much easier to save hero for P2 and just expect proper execution from folks on the 4th platform. Healthbars do get low, but as long as the healers prioritize and the whole raid doesn't stay stacked for a Crush after the bolt, you will be fine. as a healer I actually love that part - one of the few times where I get a little adrenaline rush and need to play smart.

also, why is your second mage arcane? costing yourself some free dps there that could make a big difference in the 4th platform and then P2. If you guys are scraping through the 4th platform with the help of lust, then you will likely see some agonizingly close wipes on P2 when lust isnt there to help you burn him down.

[Divinedoom]

There's 2 popular ways of doing it.

1) Lust as soon as Mutated Corruption spawns on 4th platform. Helps kill Parasite fast and prevents 3rd Impale.
2) Lust and burn Limb Tentacle through the 2nd set of Blistering Tentacles. Hard burn to save time by not switching to 2nd set of Blistering Tentacles.

You can easilly ignore the 2nd set of blisterings on the 4th platform without heroism, you just need sufficient raid cd's.

Basicly you want to use it on the corruption on the 4th platform IF you need it there to kill it fast enough, if you don't then use it in p2. When using it in p2 you also get to use it on the first platform.

[Deleted]

Thanks for all the answers.
We are probably going to try to do the corruption without bl just to see if we get the 3rd impale,but If we did use it as soon as the corruption spawns on the 4th plat should we use it at pull or like 10 sec pre-pull?

[Dorfie]

We killed Madness 4 hours from out first pull tonight. We lusted on platform 4 the moment the first parasite spawned. Your phase 2 strat looks pretty similar to what we did. I'll tell you now the only hard part about phase 2 is getting the bloods down between all the other crap going on. The damage going out is pretty low, just need to stop DW healing and you're pretty gold. For comparison we got past platform 4 on our 2nd time getting to it, and never wiped on it afterwards. We found platform 4 super easy then struggled on phase 2 for a few hours (15 minute attempts just to wipe at 3% in phase 2 is fucking heart breaking)

[Deleted]

We BL when Corruption spawns on first platform, and then at ~10% when congealing bloods spawn on the last platform.

On the fourth, we stop dps at 18% and then 13% to kill shrapnels and terrors before having bloods. And we do kill 5% bloods. It makes a lot of waiting on that platform, but we prefer to play it safe.

GL

[Deleted]

We killed Madness 4 hours from out first pull tonight. We lusted on platform 4 the moment the first parasite spawned. Your phase 2 strat looks pretty similar to what we did. I'll tell you now the only hard part about phase 2 is getting the bloods down between all the other crap going on. The damage going out is pretty low, just need to stop DW healing and you're pretty gold. For comparison we got past platform 4 on our 2nd time getting to it, and never wiped on it afterwards. We found platform 4 super easy then struggled on phase 2 for a few hours (15 minute attempts just to wipe at 3% in phase 2 is fucking heart breaking)

So you don't lust on the first platform?
Does it give any problems for the enrage in p2 ?

[oberetta]

If you are going to use BL on P2, you might as well do it right out of the gate as well. As someone mentioned above, it can be really helpful to send a dps over to the blue platform to burn the wing until the corruption spawns on the 1st platform...this will give you some extra breathing room on the cataclysm timer on the 4th platfom since you wont be using hero. Just be mindful that when you get to the blue platform it will already be down to 90%ish so be careful about dps not blasting it down and spawning tentacles at the wrong time.