Holy Priest PvE.....?

[Animaniacs]

I have a quick question, when it comes to raiding... How much spirit is classified as "Too Much"?
Character is Animaniacs on Blackrock....
Right now I'm sitting at 3485 spirit, and I usually do pretty good with mana during DS10... Not really sure what to gem/reforge at this point... I know I should probably have more haste, sitting at only 6.25%... I just don't see myself needing 12.5%
Any suggestions?

[Doggyballs]

If you don't oom on every fight, then you have enough.
If you do oom on every fight, then you don't have enough.

Allow me to add...

12.5% is for the extra tick on Renew. Gem and Reforge Mastery if you feel like you have enough, that's the best way to improve your HPS.

[Ynna]

As said: You have enough mana to finish the fight, you have enough Spirit.

12.5% is for the extra tick on Renew. Gem and Reforge Mastery if you feel like you have enough, that's the best way to improve your HPS.

Is this still going on?
I'm not perfectly up-to-date, but I thought we had a big debate about this ages ago, and we concluded that you can go Haste or Mastery and it didn't matter that much.

[Tihr]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...maniacs/simple is his Armory, for anyone interested.

- You should gem Brilliant (Intellect) in red sockets, Artful/Reckless (Int and Mastery/Haste) in yellow and Purified (Int/Spi) in blue. If you feel you have too much spirit (unlikely for most HC modes in DS), swap out the Purified gems for Brilliant gems.
- Get Ghostly Powerful Spellthread in your legs increase of the Sapphire Spellthread (Intellect/Spirit instead of Intellect/Stam).
- You should get Exalted with Therazane to fix your shoulder enchant.
- 65 mastery on gloves, 50 Intellect on wrists, 50 Intellect on cloak, Lavawalker on boots.
- Buy the Valor Point cloak as soon as possible. It's best in slot.
- Spec and glyphs are fine, although I'd consider Blessed Resilience or Body and Soul over Surge of Light, and I'd drop Divine Touch if you're not speccing Rapid Renewal.

Haste is a great throughput stat, especially in this tier. Mastery can be excellent on certain fights (it's 15% of my healing on Madness 25 HC), but with the zone nerfs increasing, there's less damage, so the damage will be healed up faster, meaning your mastery just becomes overhealing.

It also seems like Disc becomes stronger with each nerf, since you can just abuse the shit out of Divine Aegis on most fights. It's not uncommon for Aegis to be 40-50% of my healing these days.

[Vook]

Is this still going on?
I'm not perfectly up-to-date, but I thought we had a big debate about this ages ago, and we concluded that you can go Haste or Mastery and it didn't matter that much.

This is true, but 12.5% is still important for extra tick of hymns and Renew.

As for Spirit, if you're only doing Normal, you have enough. For Heroic, the more Spirit you have, the better, so you can spam more heals.

[eErike]

As said: You have enough mana to finish the fight, you have enough Spirit.


Is this still going on?
I'm not perfectly up-to-date, but I thought we had a big debate about this ages ago, and we concluded that you can go Haste or Mastery and it didn't matter that much.

Since the huge buff to Devine Hymn reaching tresholds is actually more important than before but anyone with any gear above 380ilevel will reach this "cap" even if they want or not.

[ajanu]

You should be reforging all your crit to something else, looks like haste in your case. I heal normal mode DS with only 2700 spirit, but I also have the 403 heart of unliving which I would guess is giving me about 600 more spirit on average. As you replace your PvP pieces you will get more haste and mastery anyway. Too much is when your ending a hard fight with a lot of mana left, it means you can't spend all your mana and are over what you need. If you can end a progression fight as a holy priest with lots of mana left you are not trying because we can dump a whole mana bar really fast if needed, hence why people say there is never too much for HC.

Just saw my armory says I have 11.96% haste, was sure that was higher on live, is armory not counting darkness? If so then raid buffed you should be hitting 12.5% anyway Animaniacs so reforge to whatever you want.

[Ynna]

This is true, but 12.5% is still important for extra tick of hymns and Renew.

Back in the day (about one patch ago), you got that 12.5% whether you wanted or not. You would have to be equipping Greens in order to not reach that.

This is actually something I really dislike about not playing anymore. Not being able to give relevant advice anymore.

[martiz]

I would say as long as you don't go OOM while using S-fiend + Hymn of Hope + Potion of Concentration you will be just fine. But if you struggle on heavy fights such as Spine Heroic where you'll really need to be considerate of mana usage and cooldowns, then get more spirit. Intellect is also a huge resort of mana regeneration due to the Shadowfiend and Hymn of Hope.

Also the threshold for the extra Renew and Hymn tick equals 12.5% haste whether you're raid buffed or not. So ensure you always reach that cap with raid buffs.

[Dorfie]

I went Purple gems in every red and blue socket a while ago when the red gems were stupidly expensive (3-4k) and the purples were cheap (2-300g). I don't think I can be bothered going back to red gems now seeming as I'm already 8/8 and spirit will likely be more important in MoP.

[Toraah]

I run with 3600 spirit and sometimes I still feel that its just not enough (spine heroic)

[Cratchy]

i run with 4900 spirit and I only "survive" in an easy way if our restoshamy for manatide is in the raid ... otherwise I play disci
it is possible without manatide but disci is easier to play then

[Undeadoracle]

You can never have enough spirit.

If you're ending fights with a lot of mana. Start spending more.

Start using the more expensive heals. It's more HPS.

It's really as simple as that.

The problem could also be you're 3 healing a fight that's 2 heal able.

Hope this helps.

[Everdawn]

As said: You have enough mana to finish the fight, you have enough Spirit.


Is this still going on?
I'm not perfectly up-to-date, but I thought we had a big debate about this ages ago, and we concluded that you can go Haste or Mastery and it didn't matter that much.

From when I tried stacking Mastery, it seems the heal it gave was something that looked good on paper and wasn't as effective as stacking haste or crit, but that's just me.

[zakaluka]

Spirit and Haste support one another. The more Haste you have, the more Spirit you need.

If you're ooming, you have too much haste and not enough spirit. Some amount of your haste is completely wasted and gains you absolutely nothing. Reforge a little from haste to spirit. If you're not ooming, you have too much spirit and not enough haste. Some amount of your spirit is wasted and gains you absolutely nothing. Reforge a little from spirit into haste. Your goal is to be running on fumes in the final moments of the encounter, or perhaps to oom ~10 seconds before the bosskill.

In 10 man, since burst is far more limiting than oom in current content, mst and crit should be on the floor already (so they can't be adjusted much anyway. Your overall stat priority is great.

So now to answer your original question, you can't get enough spirit. Especially since the current tier will let you carry over 2200 haste while still stacking spirit. Aim for 3500.

If you stack mastery, you don't need as much spirit. But that's more often a 25-man thing.

[Themos]

@OP

You're in a combination of PvE and PvP gear, assuming that's your raiding gear -- transitioning to a full set of PvE gear would alleviate the bulk of any mana issues. As it is, a lot of wasted stats on Resillience is not helping.

[Ynna]

Spirit and Haste support one another. The more Haste you have, the more Spirit you need.

I never liked this reasoning. Haste allows you to spend more mana. It doesn't force it on you.

[sarad]

You can never have enough spirit.

If you're ending fights with a lot of mana. Start spending more.

Start using the more expensive heals. It's more HPS.

This exactly. Stack more spirit, use more flashes to proc serendipity more, heal faster. I keep two gearsets: one is Int/haste based with 4k spirit total (reds in almost all sockets). The other is Spi/Mastery based with 5.3k spirit + 19 mastery (gemmed blues in blue sockets, purples in red sockets here). I mainly use the Spi/Mastery build for Morchok, Yor'sahj, Spine.

It might be helpful to note that I heal in 10m environments with a druid. No MTT here =(

[Themos]

I mainly use the Spi/Mastery build for Morchok

While I commend you in carrying two sets of gear, one geared for throughput and the other for sustain, you completely lost me here.
Even without the Aura of the Aspects nerfs, Heroic Morchok was always considered a pure throughput fight, the encounter never lasted long enough for mana to be a consideration.

[sarad]

I came from a background where we three healed every fight, when we stepped up to H Morchok, I was left to heal Morchok's side on my own. I fell back to the Spi/Mastery build so that I could flash/greater more and let the mastery continue healing while I single-targeted someone else. The extra spirit also helped me with rolling renews on everyone but staying in Inner Fire.