Why is there no problem with

[Archangel Tyrael]

Using the Soviet Union/Communist symbol as an avatar or in a shirt, yet, people rage when you do so with the National Socialist Swastika?

This is a serious question. If you're pissed with the Swastika, shouldn't you be so with Communist images?
The estimated death toll under the Bolsheviks and Communist regimes are between 85 and 100 million. In Ukraine, more than 1 million Christians were killed. The NKVD alone killed more than 25.000 Polish elite in Katyń Forest in 1940. Some of the governments at that time even tried to blame the Nazi Party for the massacre, but failed to do so.

So can anyone explain to me, why people don't see the Communist ''figures'' as bad as they see the Swastika?

[mistuhbull]

Genocide of own people: Perfectly fine
Genocide of others: Not OK.

And the communist ideology isn't inherently hateful, NAZI is.

[Shamburger]

Genocide of own people: Perfectly fine
Genocide of others: Not OK.

And the communist ideology isn't inherently hateful, NAZI is.

aaaaaaaaand /thread.

[Archangel Tyrael]

Genocide of own people: Perfectly fine
Genocide of others: Not OK.

And the communist ideology isn't inherently hateful, NAZI is.

Genocide of own people? Care to explain?

[Deleted]

SU/communism also isn't on the national cicciculum.

[Archangel Tyrael]

SU/communism also isn't on the national cicciculum.

Cicciculum?

[Deleted]

Cicciculum?

Curriculum.

[Numeanor]

Ok let's repeat for million times: swastika is not bad symbol! It's symbol from Hindu religion or something and represents peace and prosperity. Symbol was stolen by nazis and now everyone thinks it is a bad symbol and symbol of evil which is pretty much opposite.

[mistuhbull]

Genocide of own people? Care to explain?

Hitler massacred Jews and the Roma. Those were not "Germans"
Stalin massacred Russians.

[-Zait-]

Genocide of own people? Care to explain?

The Purging in Russia, or USSR I guess at the time.

[Deleted]

It's symbol from Hindu religion

Not quite. It was part of Ancient India, but it was adopted by Austria for a time for some reason I can't remember, and from there Hitler adopted it.

[ngc2440]

The swastika has a lot of hate associated with it in the western world. It is used, not for peace, but for hatred and bigotry. The communist symbol doesn't have that same type of emotions behind it. Yes, there are people who have killed millions under the communist banner but the principles behind communism isn't like those of the swastika.

[Deleted]

Curriculum.

Oh Jesus, I'm so embarassed.

[Numeanor]

The swastika has a lot of hate associated with it in the western world. It is used, not for peace, but for hatred and bigotry. The communist symbol doesn't have that same type of emotions behind it. Yes, there are people who have killed millions under the communist banner but the principles behind communism isn't like those of the swastika.

You forgot to mention that communism killed more people than nazism and that we still feel remains of communism in some of ex-communism/socialism states over the world.

[Deleted]

Genocide of own people: Perfectly fine
Genocide of others: Not OK.

And the communist ideology isn't inherently hateful, NAZI is.

Not sure if serious...

Anyway, I think the reason is that genocide wasn't one of the main points of communism. Stalin wasn't even doing genocide for genocide's sake, he was killing the people that spoke out against his regime. Not that that makes it much better of course, but there you go.

[ngc2440]

Why would I need to restate that fact when it has already been covered? You are choosing to ignore the simple fact that communism isn't a hate-based belief while nazism is. That right there is the reason.

[Patcarnig]

The swastika is a symbol used primarily in Hinduism, Buddhism and some chinese religions. It has several meanings.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

[Archangel Tyrael]

Hitler massacred Jews and the Roma. Those were not "Germans"
Stalin massacred Russians.

So what about 1 million Christians killed in Ukraine? Polish citizens? ethnic Germans in Danzig and other parts of Europe? Those aren't Russians, as far as I know.

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The swastika has a lot of hate associated with it in the western world. It is used, not for peace, but for hatred and bigotry. The communist symbol doesn't have that same type of emotions behind it. Yes, there are people who have killed millions under the communist banner but the principles behind communism isn't like those of the swastika.

The Talmud has a lot of hate/bigotry on it, yet no one cares.

[Caiada]

Genocide of own people: Perfectly fine
Genocide of others: Not OK.

And the communist ideology isn't inherently hateful, NAZI is.

Mostly the bolded.

And just because a symbol was originally intended to mean other things does not mean that symbol is inflexible. The Swastika is almost universally associated with Hitler and the Nazi party, even if, to a small subset of others it isn't. The sharp right-angled and solid black Swastika might as well mean only one thing.

[ngc2440]

The Talmud has a lot of hate/bigotry on it, yet no one cares.

The Anti-Defamation League's report on this topic states that antisemitic critics of the Talmud frequently use erroneous translations or selective quotations in order to distort the meaning of the Talmud's text, and sometimes fabricate passages. In addition, the attackers rarely provide full context of the quotations, and fail to provide contextual information about the culture that the Talmud was composed in, nearly 2,000 years ago.[84]

Gil Student, a prolific Internet author, states that many antisemitic attacks on the Talmud are merely recycling discredited material that originated in the thirteenth century disputations, particularly from Raymond Marti and Nicholas Donin, and that the criticisms are based on quotations taken out of context, and are sometimes entirely fabricated.[85]

Let's try to keep religion out of this argument.