What is our priest doing wrong? (logs included)

[Vanden]

Hey! My guild has this priest, and it seems like he's just never pulling what he should be pulling heals/HPS wise. Tonight seemed to really be the last straw for a lot of our raiders, and for myself as well. http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-0l...?s=7319&e=7761 is from Hagara tonight, as you can see he pulled a whopping 9.4k HPS and didn't even double the DK's overall healing. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...%ADel/advanced is his armory, and as you can see his gear isn't perfect but it should be more than enough to be in the ~20k range of HPS and we shouldn't have to 4 heal Hagara because of it.

Please don't respond with "just replace him" or anything like that. Recruiting sucks this late in the expansion, and he's the 2nd priest we'd go through in 2 months if I did kick him. I don't know much about priests at all, but I feel that there has to be something crucial he's missing to be lacking so much in output. You can browse through our other logs, but he's pretty consistently lower than any other healer we have. Thanks for any help you can give me!

[Wolfgang777]

I do not know much about priest healing but as of cataclysm I have developed a whole new strategy to healing.
It isn't about his Heals. As long as he is keeping everybody alive, he is doing his job.
I get a lot of complaints about my hps on resto shaman but I do my job of keeping everybody alive. So they cannot really be bitter about it. As I have found out, i guess sooner than later, is that it isn't a competition between healing. Not like dps, where everybody gets to go all out and prove which one is best. But there is a set amount of damage (depending on if your raid is avoiding mechanics and such) that needs to be met. If he is healing his quota and nobody is dead at the end because of low heals, then I would not boot him. Instead, just tell him he is doing a great job. I would also suggest maybe asking a friend or a top priest on your server for quick tips. Your priest may be really grateful for the advice, or be very bitter.
If I were him, I would probably be sour if this was something going on behind my back.

[Erto]

Please don't respond with "just replace him" or anything like that. Recruiting sucks this late in the expansion, and he's the 2nd priest we'd go through in 2 months if I did kick him. I don't know much about priests at all, but I feel that there has to be something crucial he's missing to be lacking so much in output. You can browse through our other logs, but he's pretty consistently lower than any other healer we have. Thanks for any help you can give me!

If you're having to 4 heal the fight, is there really any point in having him at all? Just use the other three healers, unless they're not hugely reliable or something?

[SomeCoolName]

Unless I'm completely missing something, these things should cover it all

PW:S
Grace (covers Heal, Greater Heal, Flash Heal and Penance)
Prayer of Mending
Prayer of Healing

I'm not up to par on priest healing, so I'm possibly horrible wrong, but looks like he's spending too much time picking his nose.

[Erto]

If I were him, I would probably be sour if this was something going on behind my back.

If I were him, I would've made this thread myself.

[Conestul]

Why are you 4 healing hagara? You can't really say he's doing shit when you're 4 healing a fight that doesn't need to be 4 healed.. Having 4 healers means obviously someone is going to be lower than the others, especially when there's 15% lower damage done.

[Mehman]

try 3 healing hagara, if he' still underperforming, tell him to read up on his class, watch guides and all that stuff, if it happens again next week / boss, you'll have to dump him because he either just sucks or he is sure his way is correct and wont learn anything else, either is bad in a heroic environment (unless ofcourse you have math to back up your claims)

[Erto]

Why are you 4 healing hagara? You can't really say he's doing shit when you're 4 healing a fight that doesn't need to be 4 healed.. Having 4 healers means obviously someone is going to be lower than the others, especially when there's 15% lower damage done.

He said it was because he wasn't doing enough for them to 3 heal it. But my original point still stands, if he's doing so badly he needs to be handheld by a 4th Healer, you don't need him at all. There's not many fights that need 3 healers, so whoever's the 4th Healer for this can just stick to DPSing.

Also, if he's chaining the Lightning his healing will be lower.

[Serraphis]

I might be missing something...but in that WoL I did not see a single Greater Heal. If he's not using Greater Heal then...he needs to start using it =D.

[Ishalah]

First of all, Atonement priest should prefer Haster over Mastery. He is too slow with Smite healing if he stacks Mastery.
However, he recieved only 20 stacks of Evangelism during the fight - obviously he is using wrong spec. Let him go without Atonement spec.

I see zero Inner Focus buffs, this is another thing you should worry about.

Look at his Renew healing, why does he bother to use that spell, even without Glyph and talent. A lot of holes there, unfortunately. It seems that he is just not up to the task.

You can try suggesting him few addons, like Healbot (Grid/Vuhdo), Power Auras or Coolline. It is a boost once you get used to them.

''Hagara the Stormbinder - Healing Tutorial 25M - Heroic'' - youtube this one for the help too. And also, it is not the best option to use 4 healers on Hagara, you just force them to overheal or they could just be bored to death. You can only go safemode with 4 healers if you're stacking ranged players on the boss during the Ice phase.

[Erto]

My guess, is that his main problem is doing nothing on the normal phase, and only Healing when he sees someone's taken quite a bit of damage. He should be using Smite and Holy Fire a lot more during the normal phases, and occasionally a Penance on someone, while Shielding the Tank for Focussed Assaults.

[inheat]

forgive me for saying this but it can be largely attributed to the fact he has no professions. can anyone pls correct me if im wrong..cause my druid has no profession and his heals suck tensticles.
for some reason i think his mastery is too high and so is the crit..
i notice that he specced evangelism,is this necessary? does he use this on time or use it properly?

maybe its his spec vs his playstyle. personally i dont want to bother smiting so i didnt get atonement. maybe he can try a different spec, example w/o evangelism or atonement just straight up heals.
well thank u for ur post btw i will try to heal later and maybe get a log for it.

[deztruction]

Kick him out the guild, Simple as lol.

[Vanden]

Thanks for the posts that were constructive We 4 healed Hagara because the Pally was a PuG and this priest has no DPS off spec. The priest under performs on every fight, not just this one. This was just the one that everyone really got frustrated with. Is this a spec that would work for him without the smite healing http://www.wowhead.com/talent#bfhzrosbfRMochMZb:qmVzq ? And how should his heal breakdown look? I'm assuming lots of Prayer of Healing/Shielding with more Penance than he currently is using? Thanks.

[Hezar]

Checking his armory and combining it with that log i would boot him from guild so fast that my boots would be set on fire.

[Serraphis]

That build is fine for non-Attonment. Heals kinda depends on the fight and his role but Prayer of Healing, Divine Aegis, Greater Heal should all be very high. PW: Shield on certain fights (the lightning chain for Hagara for example). PW:Shield will be high if he's timing Rapture procs but that's not really necessary in normals if you have decent gear. Penance as well of course. The rest of our kit is fairly niche.

Renew is almost never worth using as Disc. And I say almost cos I don't like speaking in absolutes haha.

[Joyful]

Kick him out the guild, Simple as lol.

In very few cases its as simple as kicking someone out from the guild.

[davesurfer]

Make him read the guide on here, because he needs the beginner healing guide. This is a really good one for people who don't understand their spec

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...or-New-Raiders

[Markle]

I noticed several things
(1) no professions - minor in the grand scheme of things
(2) sub-optimal enchants (needs int on bracers, greater master on gloves, +20 stats on chest) and upgraded gems help too
(3) Judging by his gear he would use some heroic loot? i assume he is new to heroic raiding?
(4) his logs show a lot of room for improvement, should be using prayer of mending on CD (or nearly on CD), penance on CD (or nearly on CD), he has zero greater heals which is insane as a disc priest, didn't use divine hymn. In the end he doesn't appear to be very familiar with his class, hopefully he will improve with time but i would recommend getting him to check out some of the forums at EJ or perhaps the column spiritual guidance over at wowinsider they have had articles on improving HPS.

I am also questioning your strat? i see you are using 4 healers and everyone's top source of damage by a mile is watery entrenchment so that tells me you are stacking in the middle? Its 10 man why not just run around the outside and dip in for dispels? And if you want his hps numbers to be higher using your strat just tell him to divine hymn or PoH spam during ice phase! Also given your strat would holy not be a more viable spec given the improved AoE healing?

[HeatherRae]

If the group is heavy on ranged DPS, it makes perfect sense to use the stack strat. If you're heavy on ranged DPS, using the stack in the middle strat is better for DPS than running around is. My guild uses the stack strat every week. Gets the boss down faster. Even if they're not, put all your healers in the center, all your ranged DPS, and have the melee dance in and out for dispels. The damage in the bubble is very manageable and you overall end up with a faster ice phase.

OP, I kind of don't know what to tell you. I wouldn't be Disc for Hagara anyway, simply because Divine Hymn for every lightning phase makes the fight a joke. But he seems to not really know what he's doing, and you guys are carrying him. He needs to do his own research and figure out what is going on. If he won't do his own research, and won't improve, why are you bringing him?