Cutting gems in Mists: wasted gems and no more shuffle?

[xskarma]

So I was just looking at the new gem cuts in Mists of Pandaria and I came to a starteling conclusion. I think Blizz wants to have perfect cuts proc from cutting gems, and those gems are then the blue quality gems. Take a look.

A green quality gem: Brilliant Pandarian Garnet: 120 stats

A blue quality gem of the same sort: PERFECT Brilliant Pandarian garnet: 320 stats

Notice the item name colour? Notice the HUGE stat difference? Notice the identical names except the PERFECT at the start?

I can come to no other conclusion then that, as it stands now Blizz is going to make us cut and waste countless gems to get the blue quality gems we need. Gems will be vendored by the boat load cause noone is going to settle for a 200 stat loss by using green quality gems, and with no market for them what else can you do with them.

This will also mean no left over green quality gems to turn in to jewelry to disenchant, cause we will use them all making as many perfect cut gems as we can. It will mean you have to decide before hand if you are going to use the gems to get enchanting mats or gem cuts. No more shuffle as we know it.

How do you feel about this and what is your opinion about this supposed plan?

[shoooter]

My guess is it's beta and these are not the final stats. Even with a lesser difference, the regular cuts should still be viable to sell, maybe to people still gearing up and replacing things.

[xskarma]

My guess is it's beta and these are not the final stats. Even with a lesser difference, the regular cuts should still be viable to sell, maybe to people still gearing up and replacing things.

And how long will that last? If it's anything like Cata then people will NOT be using green gems past the first month. And then we are stuck for the rest of an expansion with a system that makes us waste gems by the boat load just to get the quality we need.

Unless Blizz is trying to force us into using green quality gems as our regular gems and have the blue quality be what we use for our raid epics only. But that would still mean we cut and waste countless gems to get the high priced gems we want, and don't get to use the shuffle to process out unwanted green quality gems.

[Eskobar]

I'll wait and see what actually happens, because, while you make a good point, I really see no sense in something like this. Even if they want people to use greens, and just the odd blue, they pretty well know top people will have to spend thousands of gold to get blue gems on all slots.

[ragemaw]

It is possible that they are making perfect gems equal to blue quality gems (which just haven't been added to beta yet). That way the perfect procs are actually meaningful.

[rat]

Beta. Stats are likely to change. Also, "perfect" cuts will likely proc more often than they currently do.

[SamR]

Making perfect cuts of greens match regular blues makes a lot of sense. They're pretty close today anyway. A perfect green is 35 vs. 40 for a blue. Would make cutting cheap greens viable for much longer in the game and if you're leveling JC after everyone's slotting blues, your green leveling cuts aren't all wasted.

I doubt Blizzard is going to go the Bioware path of RNG based crafting so I wouldn't stress out too much over early beta info.

[xskarma]

It is possible that they are making perfect gems equal to blue quality gems (which just haven't been added to beta yet). That way the perfect procs are actually meaningful.

Making perfect cuts of greens match regular blues makes a lot of sense. They're pretty close today anyway. A perfect green is 35 vs. 40 for a blue. Would make cutting cheap greens viable for much longer in the game and if you're leveling JC after everyone's slotting blues, your green leveling cuts aren't all wasted.

I doubt Blizzard is going to go the Bioware path of RNG based crafting so I wouldn't stress out too much over early beta info.

I think you 2 might have a point. I suddenly remembered the Professions Q&A at Blizzcon having a question about this and I found it on youtube. They actually say they don't want perfect gem cuts cause everybody would only use those and not the other ones.

So between it being beta and this answer at Blizzcon I suspect there might be more to it than I initially thought.

[superbotje]

In the lower levels of JC you also got some Perfect gems which had way higher stats.
So i guess it's part of the design.

[zupf]

320 is ridiculous.
hope it's not real.

[Deathgoose]

The randomness of what gem colors you got from prospecting is the most frustrating part of JC to me. (Unlike, say, milling herbs for scribes that just made a pigment for a range of inks, so never a sense of wasting stacks of herbs to get what you actually need). It would be nice if you could do a 1 for 1 gem exchange with an NPC for the green quality gems at the very least.

And that was coupled with the vastly wasteful Cata token dailies (that weren't the freebie "Hit 10 people with dust / Kill 10 elementals"), because I'm tired of it asking for 3 Timeless Nightstones when I don't have enough of those but I have a surplus of orange and yellow.

As to the OP's concern, I doubt that is what will eventually come about. Perfect cuts have always been midway between a standard green quality gem and a blue quality gem, so I would expect that to remain the same. We'll see.

[Shamanic]

It is possible that they are making perfect gems equal to blue quality gems (which just haven't been added to beta yet). That way the perfect procs are actually meaningful.

This seems most likely to me. I really wouldn't panic about it yet.

[Djuntas]

It is possible that they are making perfect gems equal to blue quality gems (which just haven't been added to beta yet). That way the perfect procs are actually meaningful.

Would be a nice change.

[Prokne]

The randomness of what gem colors you got from prospecting is the most frustrating part of JC to me. (Unlike, say, milling herbs for scribes that just made a pigment for a range of inks, so never a sense of wasting stacks of herbs to get what you actually need). It would be nice if you could do a 1 for 1 gem exchange with an NPC for the green quality gems at the very least.

Its pretty predictable when you prospect hundreds of stacks. The only thing kind of random are the rare gems but it doesnt make that much of a difference unless you somehow get all greens.

Can you imagine the price of rare gems if they were proc based? Sure you would waste a lot of gems to get them but then you sell the perfects for a lot of gold to make up for it.

[999tigger]

The only thing i wished they ot rid of was the botters. Bitters mean less supply for shufflers and gatherers could make a living. Sgufflers could make more money if they were prepared to leave the city.

All these people wanting it to be faster ane easier or complaining there is waste are just silly. JC is insanely profitable. Be careful what you wish for.
Prices always adjust. Figuring out the best way tio make a profit rather than just shuffling is one of the few aspects of the game which makes you think.

[Prokne]

The only thing i wished they ot rid of was the botters. Bitters mean less supply for shufflers and gatherers could make a living. Sgufflers could make more money if they were prepared to leave the city.

All these people wanting it to be faster ane easier or complaining there is waste are just silly. JC is insanely profitable. Be careful what you wish for.
Prices always adjust. Figuring out the best way tio make a profit rather than just shuffling is one of the few aspects of the game which makes you think.

Not that I like botters, I would rather real people mined enough to supply ore for the whole server, but you do realize they keep prices down? The reason gems were 300-400g on most servers was because there was no supply when the bots were broken and everyone still needed lots of red gems. Even then it was still more profitable to buy the expensive ore and shuffle it.

[Fredleopawl]

such a waste of those poor green gems, is a sad age for beautiful rocks

[checking facts]

my guess is that blizzard thinks jewelcrafters are making far too much money right now.

I think that too

[Regen]

Max jc, an enchanter and a transmutation alchemist really is a license to print gold. They might as well make a little machine that you put 12,000 gold into, walk away, and come back in 4 hours and they give you 30,000 gold back.

[jisbilby]

One other thing, the difference in number of stats between the two gems is huge. I'm guessing the perfect cut is a bit too high, and may have it's stat value reduced.