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    Fire guns are easily and can do ineffective kills and hard to letting policemen to catch the murders
    also is much easier and faster to kill some one while driving car
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikez View Post
    Fire guns are easily and can do ineffective kills and hard to letting policemen to catch the murders
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxi View Post
    Depends on where you are. As has been stated a million times over, even if the risk is minimal, I will not take the chance with my family's safety in my house. No. Never. It is an extremely irresponsible notion and incredibly naive to plan your family's safety around the belief that the criminal inside your house is not there to harm you. Maybe he is, maybe he is not, I'm not taking a chance. I'll shoot him (with my .45) and regret nothing.
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    Honestly people I really do not understand some of the real hostility here. If you live in America and you want something changed, guess what? You should lobby for it and write your Senators/Representatives. Your opinions do not mean shit unless they're the opinion of many willing to vote and change the laws in our country. Other than that you can bitch and moan all you want but until a law comes down and says law abiding citizens can no longer carry their sidearm, openly or concealed, I'm going to carry and I will feel safer in doing so.

    Most of you bitching against really come off as those people that think the world is rainbows and kittens all around. Sorry but it's not, it's a rather dark place filled with demons. In the three years I have been carrying I have come across 17 situations where I have found myself within my rights to draw my weapon and defend myself or defend someone who was unable to do so. Out of those 17 I have actually drawn my weapon one time, choosing to see how the other 16 situations played out or attempted to disarm the situation myself. In the one situation where I actually drew my weapon the store clerk beat me to it and pulled out a shotgun and scared the guy away. Here is my point: Some of us carry to help defend you. Not all of us are these psycho hellbent rednecks you portray us to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikez View Post
    also is much easier and faster to kill some one while driving car
    I find this hard to believe. In order to kill a person with a car, you'd need a good hit on a person with a car going at least 50 miles per hour (~80kph). And you'd need to keep them from moving and receiving only a glancing blow. And congrats, have fun hiding the blood and human-shaped impression on the front of your car.

    Somebody can use a gun to instantly and accurately kill a person from up to a mile away while leaving next to no trace of the crime. The killing effectiveness of guns compared to cars is why we don't have a "Anti-Personel Car Collision Specialist Squad" in the military.

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    Here is my point: Some of us carry to help defend you. Not all of us are these psycho hellbent rednecks you portray us to be.
    This accurately describes about 99% of Americans with carry permits. The more sheepdogs that guard the flock, the harder the wolves have to work in order to inflict pain.
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  5. #665
    It's kinda funny how afraid a lot of americans are.

    We fucked up and now there is so much crime, what to do? Let's give everyone guns so they can figure it out themselves.
    Have fun with your rights. Maybe instead of defending your gun rights it's better to find another solution to your crime problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyDisciple View Post
    Thankfully in most places in this country there is no duty to retreat when in your home. Our government recognizes that it's a natural right to be secure in your abode. Which interestingly is an idea that precedes the US. You want to waive that right and leave during a home invasion, be my guest. The notion that we should just have to put up with criminals terrorizing people where they should feel most secure is pretty disturbing really. I also don't understand the idea that people put that much value into criminals. I think for the most part they're entitled to the same rights I am, but they waive those rights when they start stepping on mine. This seems pretty fair to me.

    Criminals are a burden though, they take our stuff, kill and rape our neighbors and sell our kids drugs. Then when we catch them we have to pay for their room and board and the burden they put on the justice system. Needless to say, I don't lose any sleep when a criminal dies while committing a crime. Though that's not to say I jump for joy either.
    There must be a better solution. Or do you really think everyone having guns isn't causing problems?

    It's also only items they steal from your home. You think pulling out a gun and potentially making things worse for your family is a good solution? Yes, they are terrorizing you but shooting them doesn't make you feel better. And next time they come with more guys and more weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilian View Post

    There must be a better solution. Or do you really think everyone having guns isn't causing problems?

    It's also only items they steal from your home. You think pulling out a gun and potentially making things worse for your family is a good solution? Yes, they are terrorizing you but shooting them doesn't make you feel better. And next time they come with more guys and more weapons.
    There will not be a next time because we all have automatic weapons with brain seeking tracer ammunition duh.


    But really, there will not be a "next time." If they enter my home unlawfully I will lawfully end their life. They made their choice, I will make mine. I will not lose one minute of sleep over it either.

    Edit: Shooting them does make me feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kleinlax21 View Post
    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin
    A person who is unwilling to limit his capacity to do whatever he wants whenever he wants for the benefit and gains of being part of a society has no place in a society - Me

    Ben Franklin likely did not mean what the quote says. But if he did he is wrong.

    Entering a society you sacrifice freedoms all around, you do this because if certain things are allowed to you they are allowed to others and that would make things unsafe. You do not have the freedom to enter a house and get whatever you want and leave, you do not have the freedom to kill someone so he stops talking about banning guns (however much you might want to lol, nah i doubt you do, Americans tend to believe in freedom of speech far enough to allow that) You likely want neither freedom and you most likely do not want others to have those freedoms

    There are some.. freedoms that must be protected because they are what allows you to change what freedoms you do not have. Freedom of speech (Freedom of opinion) comes to mind. The right to organize yourself in a political party of your choosing to promote a point of view in a non violent manner for sure whatever your point of view may be. Or rather democracy does not exist without such freedoms. There are others. A bunch of freedoms and rights that protect your right to promote whatever other rights you believe you should have. Lets call that democratic freedom? There are some dangers that some of these rights are getting fudged into uselessness of course or manipulated into oblivion

    There are also a load of freedoms where the safety gained by sacrificing them is at best negligible and more likely debatable. Those should not be sacrificed either because what would be the point? What would be the point of.. limiting the amount of shampoo you bring on a plane, it would do nothing for safet... oh wait you sacrificed that one as did we all (well i did not since i tend not to fly, lucky me)

    But as long as the democratic core freedoms are guaranteed, let us include the right for people to distribute their opinion as well since without a free media you get distorted truths only as opposed to mostly distorted truth, but as long as those are there anything else can be achieved when and if it is needed [do not count what rights i mention a completely list of what freedoms you must have, i am hardly a master of whatever soft pseudo science is involved]

    You can argue that the freedoms i say people sacrifice are more for the safety of others than for the safety of self but i would argue that you would not sacrifice yours if not for the benefit of you

    You can also argue that when you sacrifice freedoms it would be easy to end up sacrificing one too many and loosing the ability to prevent loosing even more until you have none left. I most certainly agree, freedoms should not be blindly abandoned

    That being said and all being said i said i am not arguing that the USA should prohibit guns, i may not believe it benefits you and in fact i may believe it harms you but it is your democratic right to choose to add freedoms to your repertoire. You can do that because of your basic democratic rights. If you wanted as a society the right to bear and use anti tank rockets (those are called rockets?) then it is your privilege. Enjoy the freedoms you want. I just want to retain my right to say i think having such weapons serves no purpose and does not guarantee your safety in case of a robber

    Now in a moment someone will say that i say what i say because i am European and we sacrifice our freedoms left and right. Before you do remember 9/11, remember what freedoms you sacrificed with great rejoicing. Remember you did so for one reason and one reason only: Security. Granted i believe all those freedoms should not have been sacrificed for that but i am free to believe what i want, that is guaranteed by the basic democratic rights i do promote

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleinlax21 View Post
    Wow, this really struck me as a surprising figure. I am really shocked this number is as low as it is, but I guess it makes sense to ambush somebody walking on the street or in their car, as opposed to in somebody's home where a full gun case may or may not be located. Interesting.

    Definitely all the more reason to get a CHL when I hit the big 21.
    I was surprised at how low it was as well, but considering it doesn't take into account acts of burglary with no one home. In which case it is unknown as to whether or not the suspect was armed at the time.
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    What I you just made bullets really expensive? Like REALLY expensive?

    That way people could still have their guns but the bullets well you'd need to REALLY want to kill someone to do so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zzeeuuss View Post
    What I you just made bullets really expensive? Like REALLY expensive?

    That way people could still have their guns but the bullets well you'd need to REALLY want to kill someone to do so?
    It is not that hard to produce bullets at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarkan View Post
    Now in a moment someone will say that i say what i say because i am European and we sacrifice our freedoms left and right. Before you do remember 9/11, remember what freedoms you sacrificed with great rejoicing. Remember you did so for one reason and one reason only: Security. Granted i believe all those freedoms should not have been sacrificed for that but i am free to believe what i want, that is guaranteed by the basic democratic rights i do promote
    This issue is one of those that is an absolute culturclash man, they think we are irresponsible and naive, we think they are a bit on the crazy side/fearmongering. :P

    I can understand people wanting a firearm for the defense of their family, I just hope they understand that not having one isn't automatically making you into an irresponsible or naive parent/husband/whatever, many people here probably look at it from the opposit way, that it is irresponsible to allow a sociaty to arm itself.

    We don't live in totalitarian socities because of us not having a 2nd amendment, we live in free and democratic countries, we just collectivly choose not to have something like the 2nd amendment because we think this benifits our sociaties, we don't risk the neck of our families(we really don't) because of it, if we did I suspect we might have laws more in line of that with the US.

    As it is now, there is no need for it, again this is not us being irresponsible, please realize that.
    The thing is we are not even very strict on gun ownership in my country(around 2mil legally owned firearms, across a population of 9,5mil), yet still gunownership is going down here, it's not that people are forced to not own firearms, but it's a choice a lot of people do, sure some of our provinces still got quite a lot of gunowners, the Jämtland province is topping at around 20% of the population owning a firearm, the provinces at the top are all up in the north, where there are huge areas of wilderness, which makes for great hunting grounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuger View Post
    Not really.
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    unbalance fridge so that open door causes it to fall forward.
    I'm sorry but I have read each of your posts up to this one and I refuse to believe anyone is actually as stupid as you are being in this thread. are you saying it is easier to break into someones house and mess around in thier kitchen with one of their appliances then it is to walk up to them and shoot them in the face? Not to mention the fact that a fridge falling forward on someone is HIGHLY unlikely to kill them.

    I also am from Ireland and can confirm we have an unarmed police-force, I would point out too that we had 30 years of terrorist activity in our country and the numbers of police shot was to my knowledge still in single figures. The problem to me, stems from the "I'd rather have one then need one" mentality it would appear to me that in the states everyone assumes everyone has a gun, and is determined to get their retaliation in first, which considering your foreign polocy is hardly surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zzeeuuss View Post
    What I you just made bullets really expensive? Like REALLY expensive?

    That way people could still have their guns but the bullets well you'd need to REALLY want to kill someone to do so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bane101 View Post
    I'm sorry but I have read each of your posts up to this one and I refuse to believe anyone is actually as stupid as you are being in this thread. are you saying it is easier to break into someones house and mess around in thier kitchen with one of their appliances then it is to walk up to them and shoot them in the face? Not to mention the fact that a fridge falling forward on someone is HIGHLY unlikely to kill them.

    I also am from Ireland and can confirm we have an unarmed police-force, I would point out too that we had 30 years of terrorist activity in our country and the numbers of police shot was to my knowledge still in single figures. The problem to me, stems from the "I'd rather have one then need one" mentality it would appear to me that in the states everyone assumes everyone has a gun, and is determined to get their retaliation in first, which considering your foreign polocy is hardly surprising.

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  14. #674
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilian View Post
    It's kinda funny how afraid a lot of Americans are.
    Well they can't be afraid of too much, since they are armed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilian View Post
    We fucked up and now there is so much crime, what to do? Let's give everyone guns so they can figure it out themselves.
    Have fun with your rights. Maybe instead of defending your gun rights it's better to find another solution to your crime problems.
    Since rolling back gun laws and letting people carry their guns in public the crime rate has gone down, or stayed about the same, in every place it was been done.

    So that does look like a solution to our crime problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilian View Post
    There must be a better solution. Or do you really think everyone having guns isn't causing problems?
    It isn't. The most armed parts of this country also have the lowest average crime rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilian View Post
    It's also only items they steal from your home. You think pulling out a gun and potentially making things worse for your family is a good solution? Yes, they are terrorizing you but shooting them doesn't make you feel better. And next time they come with more guys and more weapons.
    Shooting them wont make the shooter feel better but it will stop the threat. Also the criminal probably wont have a "next time" to think about.

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    I personally think that, NOONE should have a gun (civilians), only the authority... Why? because we want or not, there will be people who ilegaly will have guns, and the authorities need something to defend themself and the country agains these people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxilian View Post
    I personally think that, NOONE should have a gun (civilians), only the authority... Why? because we want or not, there will be people who ilegaly will have guns, and the authorities need something to defend themself and the country agains these people...
    While a noble idea, in most places the authorities, be it police, sheriff, constable, etc. work after the committal of a crime. That's why forensic techs, detectives, prosecutors and medical examiners exist; to do their job after the crime has already happened to find and punish the guilty party.

    The idea of civilians (non-criminal, sane, registered, trained) possessing a firearm is to deter the crime in the first place, or if needs be, prevent it by matching force.

    Now I'm not sure how it is in the Dominican Republic, but here if one were to contact emergency services (911) about someone breaking into your home, you could expect a response time varying from 5-30 min. depending on where you are, the call volume of the agency, and the staffing levels available. I'm a bit off the beaten path where I live, so I know I'd be closer to the 30 min mark for police response, I'd rather be able to handle the situation then rely on the local sheriff to get there before my loved ones or myself were harmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tasttey View Post
    While a noble idea, in most places the authorities, be it police, sheriff, constable, etc. work after the committal of a crime. That's why forensic techs, detectives, prosecutors and medical examiners exist; to do their job after the crime has already happened to find and punish the guilty party.

    The idea of civilians (non-criminal, sane, registered, trained) possessing a firearm is to deter the crime in the first place, or if needs be, prevent it by matching force.

    Now I'm not sure how it is in the Dominican Republic, but here if one were to contact emergency services (911) about someone breaking into your home, you could expect a response time varying from 5-30 min. depending on where you are, the call volume of the agency, and the staffing levels available. I'm a bit off the beaten path where I live, so I know I'd be closer to the 30 min mark for police response, I'd rather be able to handle the situation then rely on the local sheriff to get there before my loved ones or myself were harmed.
    Same here in the Netherlands, got into a nasty situation in a park behind a police station involving knifes, still took em 20 minutes to show up. Last sunday ironically it only took em 3 minutes for an accident where a car hit my girl and me, but where no one was actually hurt.

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    For those who try to counter my arguement and make assanine comments that a car, bomb, lion, space alien are the deadliest,most efficient, most likely to get used in a violent crime I give you Junior Seau.

    Also the person who tried to make the car agrguement. Yeah if I wanted to kill a person with a car I would just have to ask them to stand out in front of a road or parking lot while I drove X amount mph towards them. Again my comparison was not toward traffic fatalities which have many factors such as most are drunk driving, speeding, distracted drivers, teenagers, elderly, etc. but cars are rarely used as weapons. Thats all guns are: weapons wether be for hunting, self defense or crime. Also the stats I got there are over 6.5 million auto accidents in the U.S. compared to last data I found of 67,000 gunshout related so no doubt there will be more deaths from auto. Does not make cars more or just as efficient.

    Of course this just in about Junior Seau. Sad for me to make this point now but why again do you think most people chose to commit suicide with a weapon? Statistics I looked at that firearms are double the cause of deaths than any other form of suicide. www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tychoblu View Post
    Don't see the need for hand guns. Home defense/hunting = shotgun/rifle. If you have the need to hide your gun, then you probably shouldn't have it.
    Try to navigate a tight hall way with a 3 foot long shot gun. Hand guns are good for home protection for a number of reasons, size and ease of use are the least of them. You ever shoot a hunting rifle? Miss with it and the round could very well end up in a neighbors living room, same with a slug from a shot gun. Hunting rifles for this reason are very POOR home defense options as are shot guns with slugs. Though any one using a slug for home protection is doing it wrong IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shon237 View Post
    For those who try to counter my arguement and make assanine comments that a car, bomb, lion, space alien are the deadliest,most efficient, most likely to get used in a violent crime I give you Junior Seau.

    Also the person who tried to make the car agrguement. Yeah if I wanted to kill a person with a car I would just have to ask them to stand out in front of a road or parking lot while I drove X amount mph towards them. Again my comparison was not toward traffic fatalities which have many factors such as most are drunk driving, speeding, distracted drivers, teenagers, elderly, etc. but cars are rarely used as weapons. Thats all guns are: weapons wether be for hunting, self defense or crime. Also the stats I got there are over 6.5 million auto accidents in the U.S. compared to last data I found of 67,000 gunshout related so no doubt there will be more deaths from auto. Does not make cars more or just as efficient.

    Of course this just in about Junior Seau. Sad for me to make this point now but why again do you think most people chose to commit suicide with a weapon? Statistics I looked at that firearms are double the cause of deaths than any other form of suicide. www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/j...at-home-050212
    So? people who are ill in the head want to end their lives they choose guns to do so. Are you claiming that these people with out guns would not have killed them selfs? If you are linking this data to make a different point please elaborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    So? people who are ill in the head want to end their lives they choose guns to do so. Are you claiming that these people with out guns would not have killed them selfs? If you are linking this data to make a different point please elaborate.

    Sorry you are out of the loop. I had debates between people who think knives, guns, planes, trains and automobiles are on par. Not going to type and go back to everything I said. If you want you can look at my past post. Also I did link data www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm. Which shows guns are used twice as much in suicides as other methods. Must be a reason? I mean people have more access to knives, hanging themselves or whatever else can be thought. Reason people use guns I'm guessing because its the most lethal way of commiting suicide which brings me back to people trying to debate me on this.

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