We are charged for expansions because ... we can be. Simple as that. Could they give it away as just another patch? Sure, but why would they? As has been said numerous times so far in this thread, Blizzard is a company that exists at its most basic level to make money. I am sure there are some people who work for Blizzard who would have no problem giving out xpacs for free to subscribers, "sticking it to the man"... but the Blizzard employees make their money off of us buying their crap.
As for them bringing in more than they spend on upkeep / salaries / design etc.... they should be. Blizzard/Activision is a FOR-PROFIT company, meaning at the end of the day they want more coming in than going out. Their goal isn't to have a net zero gain / zero loss... they want money. That money makes the shareholders happy (it is a publicly traded company). It also allows them to bankroll future items OTHER THAN WOW. WoW does not exist in a vacuum. Profits from WoW allow the development of long-term projects (Titan, D3, etc). The more money Blizzard has, the more resources they can put on other things.
TL-DR: We are charged because we can be charged and should be charged to ensure Blizzard as a company fulfills their obligations to the shareholders of the company and to allow for bigger and better things paid for by profits from what is working NOW. If you don't like it, you can always just not buy MoP.
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Economics, whether it's a game or "real life" as you put it, can be applied in the exact same fashion. Also, your opinion on the matter does not matter, at all, since the market considers what Blizzard do to WoW to be perfectly okay. That means that the price is completely fine as it is. You really are valuing your own personal thoughts on the matter a bit too high, to say the least.
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You think of them as greedy and people are so mindless since they buy they buy their products, yet you are going to buy Diablo 3 when it gets out. The irony in this comment is priceless.
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Last edited by Frozen Death Knight; 2012-04-29 at 11:14 AM.
the concept is that the sub cash is to keep WoW running smoothly, servers are not cheap and customer service, which Blizzard is extremely respected for, isn't either.
cash for the expansions is what's theoretically supposed to be fueling development.
now this raises a valid point, are they ripping us off for subs? while servers and customer service are not cheap, they could probably lower the pirce to 10 or even 5 a month and still maintain their servers and jobs. they'd just have to cut profit margins somewhat. of course then we'd probably see fewer content patches and expansions because of more limited resources. less of everything we ask for frankly. so those new models, well the back burner just got further away. 1 year in the final tier? we should be so lucky.
I could never understand why people think that there are some limitations how much a company or person can ask for any kind of service. Unless it's a monopoly business (like electricity or gas) or some kind of government owned company, who works on tax money, there is really no limits, how much a businessman can want and ask for his items/services. If I want to draw a picture of kitty playing with ball and charge you 1'000'000 USD for it, it is my right to do so. As well I could be giving it away for free or renting it out to you - I can do whatever I like.
Real question is - are your ready to buy/rent/take it ? If you are paying 15 USD / month + 60 USD for expansion, it means that their system is working. If noone would be paying, then I could see something being wrong. And unless 5 million people stops playing and states that it's because of they are not ok with paying for expansion, I don't think Blizzard will and should change their system.
That's a really good question I guess.
Well, Customer service is not really impressive... since we can change our item if we do a mistake without telling it to a gm.Running servers and paying for customer service isn't cheap.
Again, you're right. That's sad, really sad, but hey, blizzard is not our friend ;sReal question is - are your ready to buy/rent/take it ? If you are paying 15 USD / month + 60 USD for expansion, it means that their system is working. If noone would be paying, then I could see something being wrong. And unless 5 million people stops playing and states that it's because of they are not ok with paying for expansion, I don't think Blizzard will and should change their system.
MOP will came in something like 100 days.. and we don't have fresh content now ;/
Oh look, another topic full of people that think WoW is a bubble and all the money that goes in should stay there. It's not, WoW is a product like any other and the money it generates goes into Blizzard's "to do whatever the hell we want with" fund.
WoW paid for Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 to be developed and for Titan to be started. This is not a pension scheme where you pay in money and expect that money to be used for your gameplay experience, you pay that money and then it's fucking gone, Blizzard will invest it wherever they want.
Do you think all the people on the Diablo 3 team worked for free until it gets released then Blizzard counts the revenue and gives them all a few years worth of salaries in one go? No, WoW subscriptions paid for that and because you gave them your money, they do not owe you anything, you got your month of gametime and that's the end of it, you have no claim to the money or how it is spent. Please shut up about it.
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Never going to log into this garbage forum again as long as calling obvious troll obvious troll is the easiest way to get banned.
Trolling should be.
now as for expansions, their entire team isn't working on MoP. there is a team for bug fixes and such, a team for MoP, and a team for MoP pre-events (idk how it works but this is what I'd guess). there will be another major patch before MoP that adds really cool stuff to the game for us to enjoy. if BC and WotLK is any indication, we'll have a pre-raid (like sunwell or halion) to play around in before MoP hits and then patches where tons of events happen to lead us into MoP.
the thing is that they are still working on that raid (if they are) and the pre-expansion events patch, you just wont hear anything about them for a little while longer because MoP isn't really -that- close to coming out (I'd say end of summer or so if not a bit later). I mean, in the beta from what I hear, you can only get to level 87. that is a LOT of content that has yet to be tested by a large number of beta players.
tl;dr - you pay for access to official servers, not to expansions and patches. there will be probably 1 or 2 more patches in Cataclysm before MoP hits, one without a doubt with pre-expansion events.
I agree with you, why should we pay for that? we already pay a subscription and they BARELY give us content patches, ever..
But the most disgraceful thing of all is that they use our subscription money to make games like Diablo and Starcraft.
I have no interest in Diablo AT ALL , so why should my subscription money go to that? At least give those only interested in WoW a chance for a cheaper subscription.
Because Blizzard charges you for everything and anything. Blizzard uses an archaic method that maximizes profit for existing fans but also maximizes barrier to entry. WoW and it's business model was, mostly, thought out 10 years ago, and right now is way over priced. Servers are cheap enough to not charge for them anymore (from a MMO's perspective), but Blizzard still does it because they can. There is no justifiable reason why WoW charges you for everything when you factor in the resounding success of pay to play and free to play games lately. The only reason why Blizzard charges you for Server/Faction Transfers, Access to the Servers and Expansions and the core game is because they can. Only Blizzard can get away with these terrible business practices, and that's because they have a largely ignorant player base, and loyal fans.
This is like your freaking boss telling you not to spend money on stuff you want to spend it on after getting your salary. Do you really want to go down this route?
Where the heck do you expect Blizzard to cough up millions of dollars in development costs for new games if they can not take it from WoW? Really, what the heck?
Last edited by Frozen Death Knight; 2012-04-29 at 04:04 PM.
Last time I checked Blizzard is a business. The main objective of a business it to make money, therefore I don't really understand why you're asking this question.