Elementium Monstrosity: Still the hardest fight of the expansion?

[Jinto]

Did H AC10 and 25 when it was relevant. AC10 was pretty easy, not even the hardest encounter in T11. AC25 was debatable for hardest in T11. Anyway H Rag beats AC in both formats. H Rag required both raid awareness, dps and the right raid comp. Not to mention you had to grind through 3 phases without any major screwups to even get to progression.

[stev0]

The fight was hard, but nothing compared to ragnaros pre-nerf... Al'akir was the pain in that tier. (25 man)

[Auguine]

You should check out Sinestra and then possibly revise your statement lol

We nine manned sinestra with ease, with three of us having never done the fight and one person just dying on purpose so they didnt kill us with cutters lol

---------- Post added 2012-05-01 at 04:47 AM ----------

It wasn't even the hardest boss of it's tier. Spine was harder, madness was harder and rag was most definitely harder.

There is no way heroic madness was in any way harder, killing it with no buff was still pretty much a joke, especially compared to spine progression.

[Darkfrosty]

No, just no. You can easily outgear it and zerg it before the healing becomes half difficult.
When it was relevant content... I don't know, it was definetely one of the hardest encounters they put out there (atleast on 25man, you can't compare 10man to this fight because there's such a drastic difference in healing and dps requirments), but I think Prenerf Heroic Rag was a lot harder, as was pre nerf 25 man al'akir.

Um Im pretty sure most of the T11 fights were harder on 10 man but good call buddy.

---------- Post added 2012-05-01 at 04:28 PM ----------

Coordination wise one of the hardest on 25man this expansion I'd say. The dps check was definitely tough as well but not as hard as Cho'gall (which was never nerfed on 25man).
The 10man version was fairly easy, even when 2 tanking it (and 3 healing it?) we still managed to overcome the soft enrage after a couple of hours of work when it was current (the Cho'gall dps check post nerf in 10man was much easier though). And the coordination check was much easier to overcome on 10man (though it gets annoying after the first 5 P2 wipes).
T11 was a geniously designed tier. BoT alone was exellent with 4 out of 5 very difficult encounters. None of the 13 tier11 encounters were heroic Ragnaros difficulty but most of the encounters had a difficulty equal to heroic gunship (0% buff) or harder.

Once again majority of the T11 bosses were more difficult on heroic. Also how the hell could you do Heroic AC but haven't gotten heroic madness by now. Madness is stupid easy in 25 man.

[Donthealme]

[QUOTE=Darkfrosty;16652990]Um Im pretty sure most of the T11 fights were harder on 10 man but good call buddy.[COLOR="red"]

He was talking specifically about this one encounter, however at the end of T11 based off percentages there was one fight on 10 man and two on 25that was notably harder(based off percentages of kills, and AC was one of the two on 25 man), it was the closest to balanced(percentage wise comparing heroic percentage of guilds, not numbers)tier we saw.

[Cambria]

Please don't start the 25 vs 10 debate. No one agrees on it, it's pointless.

[Funkthepunk]

Once again majority of the T11 bosses were more difficult on heroic. Also how the hell could you do Heroic AC but haven't gotten heroic madness by now. Madness is stupid easy in 25 man.

Well if you read my sig it says that I haven't played a lot since early January.

[Eon Drache]

I'm sorry, Spine and heroic Rag take cake for hardest fights.

[Funkthepunk]

I'm sorry, Spine and heroic Rag take cake for hardest fights.

Based on what? your own experience?

[kath01]

Did H AC10 and 25 when it was relevant. AC10 was pretty easy, not even the hardest encounter in T11. AC25 was debatable for hardest in T11. Anyway H Rag beats AC in both formats. H Rag required both raid awareness, dps and the right raid comp. Not to mention you had to grind through 3 phases without any major screwups to even get to progression.

ac25 hc also wasnt an endfight you genius..
i completed ac 25 hc world 2 myself, and yes i easily say it is one of the hardest fights of the expansion together with rag.
Tier 11 it outclasses any other fight difficulty wise.It's in my top 3 hardest fights ever, cause it was brutal in early gear and everyone need to be in TOP shape for a kill.
Everyone here bigmouthing about t11 10mans being so much harder have raided poop all really.. 10 man is a huge joke, always.

Infracted. There's already a warning about 10/25 and insulting people who disagree with you is against the rules.

[Sprucelee]

IMO:

Spine>Rag>Ala'kir>Nef>Sinestra=Elementium>Cho'gall>Madness

Spine only leads due to the shear ridiculousness of the tendon burst requirement pre-nerf. It is the only fight that was impossible due to comp. Rag was a far harder fight overall, but spine was unkillable pre-nerf without changing your whole roster. Post-nerf, it is still a bigger PITA than everything but Rag.

Honestly, I never understood all of the complaints over Elementium. It really just came down to personal awareness, if people handled lightning rod and the orbs correctly (which was not very hard) it was easy, get to P2 with everyone and win. My guild at the time handled it easy after the first kill, and 1-shot the 3rd week of it, it was pretty meh once people had been through it.

I also think everyone underrates Nef, and overrates Sinestra. Rag was the best progression experience and most satisfying, followed by Al'Akir.

[eddytheone]

People just playing bad make the fight hard, if your raid is competent, it's easy.

This, its incredibly dependent on the skill and awareness of the people in the raid, more so than most fights out there. This happens to be why its also one of my favorite encounters ingame as it required you to be alert unless you dramatically overgear it. As for in 10 man now, you can just soak the orbs and heal through it with a minor raid cooldown.

[Ferocity]

AC was way easier at it's time (after anti-melee issue was fixed) than Spine hc. You just want to make through phase 2 as fast as possible, as it is open to some very bad RNG.

[Frozendekay]

There is no way heroic madness was in any way harder, killing it with no buff was still pretty much a joke, especially compared to spine progression.

Well 25 yea. Madness 10 was harder than AC10 by a long shot. A lot of guilds killed AC in a night of attempts. My opinion of course, but certainly seemed easier. Less people to go full retard in 10 man.

edit: not looking for 10v25 argument.

[Nakkí]

Back in T11 10m, it was hectic but not insane. Very easily manageable and even effortless after the first kill.

[MisterSheep]

Even if it was a bit hard, it was one of the best fight this expansion. That and Conclave of wind, those fight were so much fun!