Iran is not a threat.

[Elite Peon]

Christians think no such thing, that's a Jewish belief. Christians don't have a promised land, Israel is just the site of major Christian "events". The U.S. was founded on secular values, not Christian values. The whole one nation under God shit didn't start until the Red Scare.

Ok I understand your from EU and do not understand much US history so i'll let you slide . The US is found by puritan Christians period . Do some home work . Christians believe that Israel will be the epoch center of the end days so if you think Israel does not matter to Christians im just going to put you on ignore we have nothing else to discus .

[Biske]

not entirely sure how we can run a country on war, considering the debt alone has set us back by years....

furthermore, the United States of America as a whole, is not the greatest threat in the world. Our piss poor governmental system on the other hand, is open season for your insults. The average citizen is made powerless by the government, which is true for pretty much all governments, regimes, dictatorships, etc, etc.

Also, how are "we" to "steal" the oil (for example)? I don't recall at any time in the last 10 years hearing about us pumping out Iraqi oil and using it in the USA.. if anything, that would have driven down our insane gasoline prices by now. Please, take your tin foil hat off, and understand that not every American has glazed over, blood thirsty eyes. A lot of us simply want to live happy, productive, and peaceful lives.

Unrelated to Iraq oil or government, more oil does not necessarily mean lower prices. They'll just cut down production to keep prices high.

[obdigore]

Ok I understand your from EU and do not understand much US history so i'll let you slide . The US is found by puritan Christians period . Do some home work . Christians believe that Israel will be the epoch center of the end days so if you think Israel does not matter to Christians im just going to put you on ignore we have nothing else to discus .

No it wasn't. The founding fathers were mostly Deists, which are by no means puritan christians. Christians are not quite the united monolith of faith you seem to be trying to push here. I grew up in a split family, and I was indoctrinated by both Catholics and Jehovas Witnesses, and neither faith believes that Israel is going to have anything to do with anything mentioned in revelations.

[SkyBlueAri]

Ok I understand your from EU and do not understand much US history so i'll let you slide . The US is found by puritan Christians period . Do some home work . Christians believe that Israel will be the epoch center of the end days so if you think Israel does not matter to Christians im just going to put you on ignore we have nothing else to discus .

I have a feeling your mistaking "Christians" with "Nihilists" lol. Both are kind of known to be crazy and not quite sure of what they want. Also wat obdigore said, your kind of making it look like there is only one strain of Christianity.

[Liara]

No they're not. Israel has started wars with pretty much all of their neighbors, why would they be more fearful of Iran?[COLOR="red"]

Brush up on your history (not fake-history, real history). The only war Israel started was the Six Day war.

And I'm pretty sure the Arab nations in the area don't want Iran getting their hands on nuclear weapons, since that would mean a huge shift in the balance of power.

[Thunderaan]

Here's the thing.

You don't give a gun to a kid.

You don't give nuclear weapons to adults with kid minds and Amachadimidodo (whatever his name is spelled) certainly has a very tiny and barbaric mind. Seriously, just take that bastard out with a sniper, no need for invasion.

[obdigore]

Here's the thing.

You don't give a gun to a kid.

You don't give nuclear weapons to adults with kid minds and Amachadimidodo (whatever his name is spelled) certainly has a very tiny and barbaric mind. Seriously, just take that bastard out with a sniper, no need for invasion.

Are you talking about the Iranian president who has no real power in that country and is just a figurehead for the religious leader (supreme leader)?

[Thunderaan]

Are you talking about the Iranian president who has no real power in that country and is just a figurehead for the religious leader (supreme leader)?

Oh yeah, take him out too. The less clerical fascists in the world the better.

[Lezarin]

Sitting in ireland i feel like a spectator at a after school playground fight when iran is meantioned .Iran is like the schools oppressed bullied kid in their governments eyes..notice how i said government not the people of irans eyes. where the usa is the bully .

Yet iran at present is ignored for the most part because the world in general jsut cant give a rats arse anymore .Suddenly iran gets a nuke its like the same playground bullied kid bringing a shotgun too school and sitting there going try it now .Yes the usa has more nukes but the usa wont be the one to react first israel or even one of the other countries in that region will its exceptionally volatile at the moment .and iran in general is playing a very dangerous game it wants to be the next big thing the big brother of the arab world so too speak yet with so much volatile natures and political veiws in the region its like dowsing yourself in petrol and running into a fire hoping not to burn up.

[Liara]

Sitting in ireland i feel like a spectator at a after school playground fight when iran is meantioned .Iran is like the schools oppressed bullied kid in their governments eyes..notice how i said government not the people of irans eyes. where the usa is the bully .

Yet iran at present is ignored for the most part because the world in general jsut cant give a rats arse anymore .Suddenly iran gets a nuke its like the same playground bullied kid bringing a shotgun too school and sitting there going try it now .Yes the usa has more nukes but the usa wont be the one to react first israel or even one of the other countries in that region will its exceptionally volatile at the moment .and iran in general is playing a very dangerous game it wants to be the next big thing the big brother of the arab world so too speak yet with so much volatile natures and political veiws in the region its like dowsing yourself in petrol and running into a fire hoping not to burn up.

Just a note - Iran isn't an Arab country. And while there are definitely Arabs living in it, the majority of its people (and the country itself) are Persian.

[Taiphon]

I'm not worried about an overt attack on Israel, I'd be much more concerned with the 'oops' we lost a warhead and it end up in Hezbollah hands days later.

Then I'll rephrase the question:

Why haven't Iranian chemical weapons ended up in the hands of Hezbollah?

Answer that, and you know why Hezbollah won't get its hands on Iranian nukes either.

(Chemical weapons are actually much harder to trace than nuclear ones.)

[BleedingHollowVeteran]

Iraq wasn't a threat and America still attacked them.

Only thing I have to say; next time you go to war for oil. Make sure you get some oil.

[Taiphon]

You don't give nuclear weapons to adults with kid minds and Amachadimidodo (whatever his name is spelled) certainly has a very tiny and barbaric mind.

Ahmadinejad does not have a kid mind.

Actually Iranian and American politics have much in common: Both have figurehead-politicians with little room to maneuver, due to political and religious restrictions. Both are fiercely nationalist.

Ahmadinejad's denial of the Holocaust is as ridiculous as the anticipation among American right wingers that Israel will bring forth the Messiah.

[Yirrah]

Is Iran a threat? No. Is Iran a potential threat? Yes, just like every country with nuclear armaments, including the US, Russia, China, Israel, Pakistan, France...and so on and so forth.

[Dundebuns]

Any country ran by a religious order is a threat.

[Hurax]

Ok I understand your from EU and do not understand much US history so i'll let you slide . The US is found by puritan Christians period . Do some home work . Christians believe that Israel will be the epoch center of the end days so if you think Israel does not matter to Christians im just going to put you on ignore we have nothing else to discus .

Some of your states, like the unpronouncable ones in New England, were founded by Puritans, not the US as a whole. And also not all Christians believe in this Israel/Armageddon Now stuff, that are just some sects and groups.

[Hardstyler01]

What I am basically trying to say is...yes...there are some crazy people out there. But not as crazy as you might like to imagine. Iran has an extremely long history of self preservation. Are there people who'd like to see Israel and the US disappear from the earth? Of course there is...just like there is people from the US and Israel that would like to see Iran disappear from the earth.

Think of Iran as the cocky, smart-arse troll. Deep down as much as they'd like to see a nuclear attacks wipe Israel or the US from the face of the earth these guys know deep down that is simply not a viable course of action.

I pretty much agree. I don't think Iran is that foolish to start a war.
They just want to seem important by making big statements. They want to matter in international politics.

Also, I once read that Ahmadinejad is actually not the overzealous nut that he is often portrayed as. He's actually more moderate than the people surrounding him.
He just makes those big statements to keep the zealous people happy. It's pretty much about calming internal politics. I don't know if it's true, but it does sound possible.

[Kuntantee]

OP are you Iranian ? .The true fact is that IRAN is an run by an extremist Islamic regime who believes there messiah will return when they wipe Israel off the face of the earth . They do not fear annihilation nor do they use common sense ( the US has 100x more weapons then them ) They believe they are pre ordained by Allah to bring an end to anything that is not Islam . I am not being racist ... so please mods do not take it that way that is just the facts . The US is founded by Christians whom believe that Israel is the promise land to all of Christianity so of course the US will protect it . Sadly a very major confrontation is inevitable .

No, you're not being racist; you're just being ignorant. That's all.

Any country ran by a religious order is a threat.

threat to who?

Iraq wasn't a threat and America still attacked them.

Only thing I have to say; next time you go to war for oil. Make sure you get some oil.

It's not just oil, they take the shit out of constructions, then, American companies build them again and many more fields involve in rebuilding.

war is the true economy of USA

[Adam Jensen]

Agreed. They are not a threat and only the warhawk idiots in my country think they are. Iran is not stupid. They know if they so much as touch Israel, the rest of the world will press down on them and hard.

Iran might posture and threaten, but they won't actually do anything.

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Iraq wasn't a threat and America still attacked them.

Only thing I have to say; next time you go to war for oil. Make sure you get some oil.

Yeah and that was a stupid move by a terrible president.

[Clevername]

Then I'll rephrase the question:

Why haven't Iranian chemical weapons ended up in the hands of Hezbollah?

Answer that, and you know why Hezbollah won't get its hands on Iranian nukes either.

(Chemical weapons are actually much harder to trace than nuclear ones.)

Fair enough, I guess you're one of those that has to have an attack that kills hundreds - thousands before you'll acknowledge the potential for danger. I don't support a war with Iran but it just seems logical to me that when a country's government says they want to destroy another country you should do what you can to keep nuclear weapons out of their hands. Like I said though since I don't support a war with Iran, so that leaves us with just useless UN sanctions / letters which historically are fucking worthless so pretty much a moot point. I guess if anyone needs convincing that Iran is not a threat it's Israelis not Americans, after all it was the Israeli PM that said if and when they struck Iranian Nuke Sites it would be without US knowledge... basically washing our hands of any involvement.