Article explaining exactly why WoW subs are going down

[finskee]

Looking at your posting history almost all posts are directed at me, and now you're doing the third forum violation of the rules (keeping tabs on how many forum violations go unmoderated).

Not only is that risky, it's sick.

Symptoms of mental disorders vary depending on the type and severity of the condition. Some general symptoms that may suggest a mental illness include:

Confused thinking
Long-lasting sadness or irritability
Extremely high and low moods
Excessive fear, worry, or anxiety
Social withdrawal
Dramatic changes in eating or sleeping habits
Strong feelings of anger
Delusions or hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that are not really there)
Increasing inability to cope with daily problems and activities
Denial of obvious problems
Many unexplained physical problems

[Kevyne-Shandris]

Symptoms of mental disorders vary

Symptoms of Antisocial Personality Disorder are...

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM IV-TR), defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:^[1]A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

B) The individual is at least age 18 years.C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.

[stomination]

I wonder if the op feels stupid now that it shows subs stayed the same.

[finskee]

I know how much you love to call everyone a fanboi, so... lets break it down.

http://www.film.com/movies/from-fanb...f-the-obsessed

"Since the term fanboy became less of a slur and more of a new subculture of its own, the term fanboi has evolved. Now it differentiates someone who is simply a lover of the media in question from someone who is truly, deeply and very pathetically obsessed with it. Regardless of the attempts at ownership, the term fanbois still carries a bit of its original negative connotation and it is not recommended to refer to someone as one unless you feel comfortable with doing so. It is recommended that you distance yourself from any real fanbois and that you contact the authorities to handle any dangerous situations that might arise with one – like an argument over which superhero would win in a fight, or worse, which Enterprise captain was the best."

According to what I just saw... 1200 posts by Kevyne in the forum World of Warcraft » General Discussions. 1200. You only joined mmo-champ at the beginning of the year. You must really love WOW! The funniest part is... in half the posts, you claim that EQ2 is a better game! I think you're a little confused about what you want. It's ok. I recommend a little time away from Wow. What do you think?

[Deficineiron]

I don't know. I don't have any basis to judge the methodology but that feels way high. If it's toons they're counting I know it's way high.

quite honestly, without seeing their data collection methodology, I don't believe it.....now if they say 60% of level 85 toons that are active have done it, maybe so, but that could represent a vastly smaller pool of players. I just don't see a viable methodology that can let them say anything about player %'s. The high-alt number player may have a very high bias to do lfr on many toons.

On the other hand, what else do you DO at level 85 now if you are a LFD user? I guess LFR is the next logical step.

[Nnyco]

first thing what came in my mind was "lets write in a letter size of 24 so my article looks long" but yea looks like a standard 'QQ everythin was better back then'-post ... just outside a forum

[Deficineiron]

According to what I just saw... 1200 posts by Kevyne in the forum World of Warcraft » General Discussions. 1200. You only joined mmo-champ at the beginning of the year. You must really love WOW! The funniest part is... in half the posts, you claim that EQ2 is a better game! I think you're a little confused about what you want. It's ok. I recommend a little time away from Wow. What do you think?

You should not make fun of their low post frequency. Just because you have done 101 posts since this last monday is no reason to brag. We all know that if you kept that run rate up from jan 1 to may 12th, you would be at approximately 3700!

[finskee]

You should not make fun of their low post frequency. Just because you have done 101 posts since this last monday is no reason to brag. We all know that if you kept that run rate up from jan 1 to may 12th, you would be at approximately 3700!

I think you misunderstood me sir, I only wished to point out that 1200 posts in a wow forum is ALOT of posts for someone who hates Blizz and calls everyone a fanboi to discredit them. What do you think?

I do like your math though

[Kevyne-Shandris]

According to what I just saw... 1200 posts by Kevyne in the forum World of Warcraft » General Discussions. 1200. You only joined mmo-champ at the beginning of the year.

1200 are quotes that Blizzard can't remove unless removing other player posts (which is good, it verifies I was there, and can still link to them).

It's not hard to rack up posts in forums, Fins, not hard at all...and without cut+paste gibberish, either.

[finskee]

1200 are quotes that Blizzard can't remove unless removing other player posts (which is good, it verifies I was there, and can still link to them).

It's not hard to rack up posts in forums, Fins, not hard at all...and without cut+paste gibberish, either.

I wasn't talking about wow forums, I was talking about the mmo-champ forums.

You post again and again here, over and over, complaint after complaint, and never once have I read a positive thought about wow, the game you play, and obviously love.

It's not hard to rack up posts in forums, Fins, not hard at all...and without cut+paste gibberish, either.

I get that its not hard for you to post, just that its hard for you to process your feelings about wow!

[mvallas]

According to what I just saw... 1200 posts by Kevyne in the forum World of Warcraft » General Discussions. 1200. You only joined mmo-champ at the beginning of the year. You must really love WOW! The funniest part is... in half the posts, you claim that EQ2 is a better game! I think you're a little confused about what you want. It's ok. I recommend a little time away from Wow. What do you think?

Dude, don't ad-hominem the guy. Counter his points... not his history or his personal character.

And seriously, stop stalking him. It seems like you made it a mission that every post he makes you deliberately try to troll his posts. It's transparent, and rather annoying...

---------- Post added 2012-05-11 at 05:01 AM ----------

I wasn't talking about wow forums, I was talking about the mmo-champ forums.

You post again and again here, over and over, complaint after complaint, and never once have I read a positive thought about wow, the game you play, and obviously love.

And most of the posts you write are just insults to him instead of anything that involves rational discussion or debate. This very post above indicates this.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

I wasn't talking about wow forums

You were, because that's how many remaining copies of my posts exist at Blizzard's forums.

Your 104 posts are almost exclusively addressed to me, and that is forum stalking, especially when every post is some insult -- and without any moderation despite being reported (including emailing a moderator directly who's online and can moderate this forum).

[finskee]

Dude, don't ad-hominem the guy. Counter his points... not his history or his personal character.

Yeah, here's an example of HIS posts:
"Loving watching fanbois defending their God."
"That's much more reliable information than sheer opinions and fanboi "pie-in-the-sky" ideas."
"They're fanbois by a different name."

So I'm over trying to talk to him rationally. And by the way you failed to counter my point, or even comment on it, instead saying that I insulted him only when I was pointing out that he insults everything. Everything that is except EQ2 for some weird reason. I'm very curious, how do feel about him calling people a fanboi, even though he cannot stop posting all day in these wow forums? Aren't you a little curious?

And most of the posts you write are just insults to him instead of anything that involves rational discussion or debate. This very post above indicates this.

The debate we started on was whether or not subs would go down. He said they would. I linked evidence they wouldn't. He began to insult me and others and call them and I names, and then even after the q1 report he came back to 'troll' me. He even accused me of working for Bioware, and/or Blizzard. It's all on mmo-champ if you really care to see it. So if anyone's 'trolling' anyone around here its him. He's trolling the whole site tbh. So if he's out to do that, then I will just keep him honest as best I can. He knows if wow really sucked that bad he would quit, but he thinks that wow owes him because he's been playing a paladin since 1978 (that's what he told me) even though he's only actually been playing wow since the last part of wrath. Oh and he was deleted off the wow forums for being rude to Ghostcrawler which he claims is a conspiracy to shut up the player base. By far the best part is his holy paladin avatar, considering the trouble he likes to stir up. I really like him he's fun.

---------- Post added 2012-05-10 at 10:26 PM ----------

You were, because that's how many remaining copies of my posts exist at Blizzard's forums.

Actually no, take a look at your mmo-champ profile, then click on post areas, and notice... 1204 posts in wow general forums.

[stomination]

he means 1204 post on wow forums in mmo champ not the official wow forums.

[fogel]

So I'm over trying to talk to him rationally. And by the way you failed to counter my point, or even comment on it, instead saying that I insulted him only when I was pointing out that he insults everything. Everything that is except EQ2 for some weird reason. I'm very curious, how do feel about him calling people a fanboi, even though he cannot stop posting all day in these wow forums? Aren't you a little curious?

I usually go by the directive "if you cannot convince someone, don't try harder."
After all, it's a forum. Which means:

People got opinions. You might change them, but the bottom line is:

Any opinion is as good as yours. Except my opinions. Those are superior! :P

Fighting fire with fire usually leads to nothing but flames on forums.

[finskee]

I usually go by the directive "if you cannot convince someone, don't try harder."

At this point I don't think I can convince him of anything at all. I really don't care to try. I love other opinions! I feel actually that I am a very tolerant and patient person. I think you have it confused on who won't listen to other people's opinions.

Fighting fire with fire usually leads to nothing but flames on forums.

This makes it sound like if I leave this thread, there won't be any flames... but we know that's not true, and I'm not really flaming him, you have to admit its pretty mild. I have kept it within the TOC just as much as he has... actually more so. Maybe I'm causing a little drama, but that's what is going on here all day and you know it. Evidence is this thread, at 32 pages, and all doom and gloom reporting.

Oh and just to add, I told myself I wouldn't respond to his posts unless he was complaining or being rude to someone... and he just doesn't stop... go check his posts it is endless. Notice also he avoided the issue at hand again... He knows he loves wow, and he won't admit it. I promise you... if he admits that he loves wow, I will walk away. How's that? I swear it on the holy paladin bible.

[fogel]

Then put it another way:

"It doesn't matter who started a fight. It matters who ends it."

[finskee]

Then put it another way:

"It doesn't matter who started a fight. It matters who ends it."

You seem like a very calm and wise person. But... I do what I want. <3

You seem to think all I want is a fight. Look at these forums. What is going on here in every thread is a fight right? Fights about nothing, like which wow race you hate, or if people should have their pets out in raids. But all I want is an actual expression of his true feelings so that we can all get to know him better. It's not a fight that I want. What I've been requesting for the last day is an answer. That's all. Just a real answer. lol who am I kidding he ain't going to admit it.

[Lightfist]

I wonder if the op feels stupid now that it shows subs stayed the same.

And all it took is giving out free copies of Cataclysm and Diablo 3 left and right.

It shouldn't take such promotions just to 'stop the bleeding' - hell, giving away a $60 dollar game and $40 game should have boosted subscriptions out the ass.

There's no certainty knowing why World of Warcraft is slowly declining, but it's clearly still an issue.

[mvallas]

And all it took is giving out free copies of Cataclysm and Diablo 3 left and right.

It shouldn't take such promotions just to 'stop the bleeding' - hell, giving away a $60 dollar game and $40 game should have boosted subscriptions out the ass.

There's no certainty knowing why World of Warcraft is slowly declining, but it's clearly still an issue.

I too am curious how well the SoR did. From what I've seen there were a LOT of people who re-subbed for at least a month. if the numbers still didn't change drastically after a full month of SoR - then I'm curious to see what the non-SoR player subs were prior to its release.

I also firmly believe we're going to be getting the new Recruit-a-friend promotion first week of June (last month for Q2) for the EXACT same reasons SoR helped save Q1's numbers.

And I also believe we'll be seeing a very rewarding world-event in September (last month of Q3) before MoP hits Q4 next month