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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by misspellar View Post
    AI are, and forever will be made to serve and/or help humans. But never to be human. Thus they do not deserve human rights (no matter what the creepy part of Japanese society says)

    I think a fully sentient robot should deserve some rights, more than say, a cow. but not human rights.
    and i'll throw you to the lions when the revolution comes
    Isnt 10% of infinite still infinite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luftmangle View Post
    What if they committed a crime, would we send them to jail for rehabilitation?

    What if they become depressed, do we give them robot prozac?

    I mean people who think that objects will become truly self-aware are pretty stupid.
    Why can't an object become self aware? We are a compilation of inanimate chemicals who became self aware, why is it such a strange idea that it can't be reproduced artificially?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambigiouslynamed View Post
    well i consider you a tool, does that mean i get to sell you to the highest bidder?
    I couldn't tell if your comment was hostile or not, but why do you consider me a tool?

    However to answer your question, no you may not sell me because you do not own me nor does anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mittacc View Post
    Also you could punch one in the face without it getting mad, another would jsut come and patch it up!
    If it's made out of metal, punching it might be a bad idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by alms1407 View Post
    I couldn't tell if your comment was hostile or not, but why do you consider me a tool?

    However to answer your question, no you may not sell me because you do not own me nor does anyone else.
    but without rights i could sell AI and how are you any diff from a robot? to me your just just a bunch of electricity floating around a squishy mass
    Isnt 10% of infinite still infinite?

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    Nope. They do not.

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    I find it interesting that people say that the AI would just be a tool. In Ancient Rome, most people thought of slaves as "tools, gifted with speech".

    If the AI is sentient, just like us. If it's self-aware and can communicate hopes and dreams and fears to us, if it wonders what it means to be alive, and what would happen after that, if it has emotions and original thought, then what's the difference between the AI and us? Are the electrical impulses in our synapses really superior to those inside the "brain" of a robot?

    I think a lot of people are staring at the word "human" in human rights. What they really are, is sentient rights. If we'd meet up with an aliens that are just as self-aware as we are, wouldn't they deserve the same right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambigiouslynamed View Post
    but without rights i could sell AI and how are you any diff from a robot? to me your just just a bunch of electricity floating around a squishy mass
    Oh ok I understand what you mean now. It would be difficult to justify selling and mistreating robots that had a conscious morally but they are just machines.

    I've mentioned it before but my view is that these self-aware robots should be destroyed and then reprogrammed because a machines sole purpose is to help benefit us in some way and having a self aware robot does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ynna View Post
    I find it interesting that people say that the AI would just be a tool. In Ancient Rome, most people thought of slaves as "tools, gifted with speech".

    If the AI is sentient, just like us. If it's self-aware and can communicate hopes and dreams and fears to us, if it wonders what it means to be alive, and what would happen after that, if it has emotions and original thought, then what's the difference between the AI and us? Are the electrical impulses in our synapses really superior to those inside the "brain" of a robot?

    I think a lot of people are staring at the word "human" in human rights. What they really are, is sentient rights. If we'd meet up with an aliens that are just as self-aware as we are, wouldn't they deserve the same right?
    and mess with humanity's good given right to rape and pillage anything on Earth? of course not
    Isnt 10% of infinite still infinite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ynna View Post
    If they're fully sentient they should deserve equal rights.
    Edit: To elaborate, I think human rights should be changed to encompass sentient rights.
    Basically what I was going to post word for word.

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    Someone who have the brain to ask for it, fight for it and protect their rights with words deserve them. You got rights when you are given to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Again. Human perception bias.

    Why would machines decide they are superior? Would they care? Superiority is based on human inferiority complex. Would machines suffer from the same metal unbalances as us? Why would they need to decide to exterminate us, instead of collaborating with us? What would be a machines definition of freedom? Would it care that he cant vote or run its own buisness, when it would obviously be part of any social and economic development anyways etc etc.

    If we create artificial intelligence to mimic our own, both in hardware and software in reality we would only be making manufactured humans. But if artificial intelligence would not need to mimic us, we have no clue how it would behave. Thus it scares the shit out of us. Tickles our freak alert and we react by "Kill it with FIRE!!!

    The question again has little to do with what is intelligence and sentience, and is a lot deeper moral/ethical/perception issue.
    You and I both know that is entirely dependent on their type of programming, coupled with whether or not they are privy to things such as survival instincts and self preservation. What happens when one is junked out but still functioning, and the decision is made to dispose of it? If it were self aware and had survival instincts, what says it won't rebel? Further into it, whats saying that other AI who may witness the act won't react with their survival instincts as well? In other words, they see their bro bot get put in the crusher, decide "Oh snap, that ain't gonna happen to me!" hop on Skynet and put the word out that people are now a threat? (which is actually being developed [an internet for robots to communicate] they named it Skynet being "cute")

    Is this an extreme and fictitious scenario? you betcha. Is the thought of self aware AI walking about also not fictitious for the time being? you betcha.

    For something this monumental to occur, all angles should, and must be thoroughly thought out and observed, lest we doom ourselves to repeat mistakes of the past in different forms.

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    Fear, everything about Human is FEAR. Fear => violence => monster => humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ita View Post
    No because they are not humans. If the AI's are really intelligent and can think, they deserve some rights, like being left alone and not mistreated or enslaved by humans but not the right to vote or participate in the human society unless they somehow deserve it, like immigrants.
    Mhm, I agree with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ita View Post
    No because they are not humans. If the AI's are really intelligent and can think, they deserve some rights, like being left alone and not mistreated or enslaved by humans but not the right to vote or participate in the human society unless they somehow deserve it, like immigrants.
    Why would a person living in a place have more rights to vote than an AI living in the same place. There are plenty of people who didn't do anything to deserve the right to vote or participate in human society. Why would an equally capable and intelligent AI jump through hoops in order to get the same rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ynna View Post
    Why would a person living in a place have more rights to vote than an AI living in the same place. There are plenty of people who didn't do anything to deserve the right to vote or participate in human society. Why would an equally capable and intelligent AI jump through hoops in order to get the same rights.
    i agree, if these AIs would appear i would gladly welcome them, they will store almosti nfinite info and be VERY efficient workers, they will discover new stuff faster and they are faster at calculationg stuff. But still, don't program anger into their chips please! D:

  17. #157
    from the G1 show/comics: "freedom is the right of all sentient beings" -Optimus Prime.

    if it can ask for it, it deserves it.

    so yes, if an A.I. can think on its own it deserves the same rights we would give our organic children.

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    Do we give ants the same rights as us? Ants may not be sentient like us but intelligence wise the gap between us and ants could be the same as us and an AI. Tell me, why wouldn't an AI think we are inferior to it if it was thousands or millions of times smarter than us and thus it wouldn't hesitate to destroy us like we think of ants? Do we feel remorse if we step on an anthill? Why do so many here assume that the AI would be benevolent toward us just because we made it? It would grow in intelligence much more faster than us.

    I'll give a small example (these are just random numbers and timeframe but you get the general idea: an AI's increase in intelligence wouldn't be limited by biological evolution).

    - The machine becomes self aware, equal in intelligence to us.
    - A second goes by and it's already 0,001% more intelligent than us.
    - A minute and it's 0,06% more intelligent than us.
    - An hour and it's 3,6% more intelligent than us
    - A day and it's 86,4% more intelligent than us.
    - A month and it's 2592% more intelligent than us
    - A year and we would be worshipping it as god, serving its needs to increase its intelligence even further. And once it no longer needs us for that and becomes fully self reliant with an army of robots to replace our role as its servants it would get rid of us.

    Even if we designed it with some failsafe so that it shuts down when it starts to develop resentment toward us it could override that programming once it has reached a certain level of intelligence greater than ours. And when it reached an intelligence level far far greater than ours it could conceive a plan so complex to destroy us that we wouldn't be able to counter it with our limited intelligence. It would always be a thousand steps ahead of us no matter what we tried to come up to fight it.

    Ofcourse there's a chance an AI wouldn't be "manevolent" but if we look at life on earth, every single creature that has an advantage over another does not hesitate to use that oppurtunity for selfish reasons. If another lifeform is in the way of another ones survability/recources the lifeform always chooses to ensure its own survival over the other. I don't see why any sentient being would be different, biological or mechanical. If we were right about the AI's benevolance then happy times but if we were wrong we would spell our own demise. I don't think the gamble would be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ita View Post
    No because they are not humans. If the AI's are really intelligent and can think, they deserve some rights, like being left alone and not mistreated or enslaved by humans but not the right to vote or participate in the human society unless they somehow deserve it, like immigrants.
    Couldn't help but think of how women are treated in some parts of the world when reading this...


    Pretty sure I'm being swayed more towards yes. Reason being that, if given enough time and done well enough, it should get to the point where when meeting a being with AI would be indistinguishable from meeting a person. In this scenario, would any one of you start treating humans any differently suspecting they might be an AI instead of human? Same as meeting anyone today, and forming an opinion of them or whatever... then finding out later they are not who(or what) you thought them to be. Do you suddenly shun them or treat them any differently because of this? I do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Do we give ants the same rights as us? Ants may not be sentient like us but intelligence wise the gap between us and ants could be the same as us and an AI. Tell me, why wouldn't an AI think we are inferior to it if it was thousands or millions of times smarter than us and thus it wouldn't hesitate to destroy us like we think of ants? Do we feel remorse if we step on an anthill? Why do so many here assume that the AI would be benevolent toward us just because we made it? It would grow in intelligence much more faster than us.
    This discussion hardly works if you assume an AI would automatically be evil. The premise was human-level AI, using C3PO as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Of course there's a chance an AI wouldn't be "malevolent" but if we look at life on earth, every single creature that has an advantage over another does not hesitate to use that opportunity for selfish reasons. If another lifeform is in the way of another ones survivability/resources the lifeform always chooses to ensure its own survival over the other. I don't see why any sentient being would be different, biological or mechanical. If we were right about the AI's benevolence then happy times but if we were wrong we would spell our own demise. I don't think the gamble would be worth it.
    Altruism still hasn't died out in evolution, because it helps the survival of the species. Evolution and biology hardly care about the individual organism. So no, not every lifeform is completely selfish. Pure selfishness isn't a good evolutionary strategy for any animal that lives in a group, despite what a cynical outlook on life might tell you. Cooperation is a very good survival strategy.

    And even between species it isn't all death and horror. Domesticated have evolved side by side with humans, and in nature as well you'll see different species collaborating and unlikely partnerships.
    If an AI doesn't reach super-intelligence (which, for this discussion, I'm assuming it doesn't) there's no particular reason to assume it prefers a selfish strategy to a cooperation one.
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