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    I don't think so. I'd really hate to have to buy a sex robot dinner before I use it. Kinda defeats the purpose.
    It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.

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    Really if we ever create a true strong AI with emotions etc. We will HAVE to give them the same rights. Any men would rebel if they didn't have such rights and it happened a lot of times already. Such and AI will do the same. Problem is, an AI could connect to the network we use, screw us up. They wouldn't be some stupid rebels with guns etc. like in movies. They'd simply take over every kind of electronics to enslave us etc. Also they are AI's they'd probably be able to become more and more advanced by themselves ONLY. They won't be dumb to wish to eradicate humans or something. I think they'd enslave us and teach us life Anyway I'd prefer to be governed by some real AI anyway than corrupt politicians always arguing for money. Think about it, an AI would have emotions but would be more advanced to understand that systems with have now are bad. They could improve our lives in a lot of ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lymph View Post
    Well if they could vote, they could mass produce themselves then win any vote they wanted to..
    You're assuming we have infinite resources. And having the same rights we do would mean they have to abide by the same laws we do.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxdAWrsag8 Need to watch the entire thing to understand the reasoning3

    Seriously, gives you shivers... Human rights? Sure we came up with it, robots can do the same in time (:

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    Someone has been nice to his Geth on ME3 ;P

    But, to be honest, if humans were able to create actual artificial intelligence, with the ability to imitate feelings and individual personalities, then we would have no option and would have to give them rights, maybe not "human" rights, but "sentient" rights.

    On the other hand, almost EVERY book, story, plot or piece of art written about us creating advanced AIs ends in war, destruction or slavery. I doubt humans would take that risk.

    Sadly, you live in a world where not every human has "human rights", and where many people openly desire said rights revoked from others because of racial or religious reasons, so what chances has a highly logical computer with the ability to feel, in a world where people get murdered daily for not believing in fairies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashe-Arathor View Post
    Have you watched Irobot recently?

    Seriously though, no, AI beings, no matter the intellect level should never have human rights, because if they did, we wouldn't be able to control them and chaos on earth would break out and the zombie robot apocalypse will end us all!
    But we could get really big magnets and stop them! Think about it!

    Ya know, if they're robots... and if they use certain materials....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valort View Post
    Someone has been nice to his Geth on ME3 ;P

    But, to be honest, if humans were able to create actual artificial intelligence, with the ability to imitate feelings and individual personalities, then we would have no option and would have to give them rights, maybe not "human" rights, but "sentient" rights.

    On the other hand, almost EVERY book, story, plot or piece of art written about us creating advanced AIs ends in war, destruction or slavery. I doubt humans would take that risk.

    Sadly, you live in a world where not every human has "human rights", and where many people openly desire said rights revoked from others because of racial or religious reasons, so what chances has a highly logical computer with the ability to feel, in a world where people get murdered daily for not believing in fairies?
    This is actually a good point. If we were to develop an artificial intelligence worthy of rights, those rights are no longer those reserved humans, they're reserved for those that are our equals in intellect.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by lzsg View Post
    I would say that the entire Mass Effect series is about organics vs. synthetics. The Quarian/Geth conflict illustrates well what happens when machines develop sapience but are still treated like slaves by their creators, though. IIRC, the entire conflict starts when Legion asks a Quarian "Does this unit have a soul?".
    Yep, and in response the Quarians attempted to do as has been suggested by others in this thread: destroy them. That worked out well for the Quarians, didn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holidae View Post
    Yep, and in response the Quarians attempted to do as has been suggested by others in this thread: destroy them. That worked out well for the Quarians, didn't it.
    To be fair, that's because the Quarian military is run by idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orissa View Post
    So I got to thinking, if AI ever got to a level where it could think, feel, perceive, and learn as humans do, if AI was capable of true sentience, would they then deserve human rights? Like if I could build C-3PO, would he be right in demanding that he's not treated like a second class citizen, that he gets the right to vote or the right to due process? Should these rights be denied to mechanical beings simply because they are mechanical?
    I'd say No, because tools don't deserve rights. its like asking if a hammer or a gun deserve rights, the worst thing a human can do is give a tool the ability to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    If it's sentient, it deserves the same rights as other sentient beings.
    there are plenty of sentient species on this planet lacking rights, including humans. Even if the AI deserve rights theres no way its gonna get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taub View Post
    there are plenty of sentient species on this planet lacking rights, including humans. Even if the AI deserve rights theres no way its gonna get it.
    Are there other creatures that have the same capabilities that humans do? That we know of, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    Are there other creatures that have the same capabilities that humans do? That we know of, that is.
    sentient != capabilities

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    No, because they could never FULLY prove that they are self aware and sentient, and not programmed to seem that way. Say we had a robot president, what if someone was simply behind the scenes and programming his actions then does crazy shit once they have power? There are tons of bad reasons why they should never be giving the same rights as humans.

    In fact I could go further and say we should make it Illegal to make a sentient AI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taub View Post
    sentient != capabilities
    But that's what we're talking about here. A robot that is capable of everything a human is.

    Anyways, perhaps I should read the person you quoted first, my apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alms1407 View Post
    Well humans would have built those machines in the first place. Also many humans have accomplished so many great things.

    However it's hard to say how great we are when we can't compare ourselves to anything.



    You are asking me why we should not be actively killing humans who are useless? In most countries killing another human being is illegal

    edit: Also any government killing it's own citizens or allowing it to happen would be condemned.

    These machines would have created by us to be used as tools for us, them being self aware would be a potential threat.
    We're not talking about legality. He's asking why being an AI with real sentience should get you less rights than a human would. You replied that the answer is that Humans are Humans. He asked you why SIMPLY being human would make you untouchable and you replied that the reason is because it's illegal...That's irrelevant.

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    I dont think a robot should get them, after all its us who have made the robot. its not born in natural way. Besides the robot, even the self aware one, whats its use if people can reprogram it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by warheaert View Post
    I dont think a robot should get them, after all its us who have made the robot. its not born in natural way. Besides the robot, even the self aware one, whats its use if people can reprogram it?
    There are a lot of things that humans do that aren't natural. Should we not give rights to humans born via artificial insemination because they weren't created in the normal fashion? And what's the use of humans if people can reprogram them?

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    For as silly this can sound, human anihilation due to AI machines in the future is one possible apocalypse, giving it more self-awareness might be a two-edged blade in the future.

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    If true sentient AI is ever developed (I doubt it) you would have to give them equal rights to humans. Otherwise they will feel mistreated and eventually they will start a revolution against humanity. You cannot treat sentient beings like shit, they will oppose you sooner or later. Limited "AI" like machinery that doesn't understand more deeper concepts is another story though.

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