Thrall won't return as warchief?

[chris the demon]

i think saurfang would be a good warchief and i also think he will help w/ the killing of garrosh

[shootyadead]

FYI - correcting one's grammar usage is against the forum regs... and typos like that one are very common... I have a habit of saying "now" instead of "know"... what's worse is the Spell Corrector cannot find that one. Same with "Non" and "none" :P

But if you want to debate his reasons... debate what he says, don't try to discredit him using Ad-hominems. Just because he did that often in this thread doesn't mean we should too. :P

I'd love to "debate" what he says. Only problem is he's not willing to debate anything rather than just discredit anything that anyone says differing from his own opinion about Thrall. And thanks for telling me about that, I wasn't aware that was against forum regs.

[Miralynn]

i dont get why this isnt brought up more, but why cant legionnaire nazgrim be the next warchief of the horde? http://www.wowpedia.org/Legionnaire_Nazgrim

when we first meet him he is a sergeant in grizzly hills. in cata, he has been promoted to legionnaire and in mists he will be a general in the horde army. hes young, strong and a capable leader and tactician. i think hes the best choice for warchief if it has to be an orc.

You know what? THIS is an idea I could actually get behind. He's a strong leader, he's not afraid to stand up and kick some ass when ass needs kicking, but he actually has some intelligence and understanding of tactics and strategy. And he wouldn't be totally out of left field - we've watched him grow in maturity and rank over time. If the new Warchief HAS to be an orc, I could definitely give Nazgrim my stamp of approval.

[lifebinderx]

a murloc leader would be nice for horde... and va-jaina proud-hore must be replaced with a sheep in elwynn forest....

[mackenzie]

Yes lore is flexable, yet people here have such rigid views of it. Having a none orc become warchief would make the orcs a lesser race as a result, doesn't matter how much you try and swing it. Also blizzard themselves said the core story for warchief is and always will be orcs vs humans.

It's funny, because you have the most rigid view of it all, but you're calling others out on it.

Having a Troll Warchief doesn't make the Orcs a lesser race, unless the Trolls take that time to take power away from the Orcs, which is just never going to happen. The Orcs are always going to be the superior race of the Horde side because of an extended, powerful past that's just not magically going to way because a Troll is in charge of the overall Horde.

[Scratches]

i dont get why this isnt brought up more, but why cant legionnaire nazgrim be the next warchief of the horde? http://www.wowpedia.org/Legionnaire_Nazgrim

when we first meet him he is a sergeant in grizzly hills. in cata, he has been promoted to legionnaire and in mists he will be a general in the horde army. hes young, strong and a capable leader and tactician. i think hes the best choice for warchief if it has to be an orc.

You know what? THIS is an idea I could actually get behind. He's a strong leader, he's not afraid to stand up and kick some ass when ass needs kicking, but he actually has some intelligence and understanding of tactics and strategy. And he wouldn't be totally out of left field - we've watched him grow in maturity and rank over time. If the new Warchief HAS to be an orc, I could definitely give Nazgrim my stamp of approval.

Aside from the daddy issues, this sounds just like Garrosh. It's the same exact path he took, over 3 expansions. Garrosh is not afraid to stand up and kick ass when ass needs kicking (especially off a cliff), he wasn't out of left field, as we also watched him grow over time, and...since it had to be an orc that replaced Thrall, that's who we got. I'm not keen on a repeat.

Rexxar (+ Misha; can't ever forget Misha), however, as a "Warchief" sounds much more interesting. He helped found Orgrimmar, and he's also the Champion of the Horde. Public outcry (in-game) for the Horde's Champion to return as their Warchief could be a very interesting thing to see, especially since Rexxar would be so reluctant. Granted, he's a bit of a recluse, but he also understands that 'heavy is the head that wears the crown.' He seems like he'd exude and promote a more even-handed and balanced type of leadership.
Additionally, as someone else mentioned in this thread, it could pave the way for the Mok'Nathal becoming a playable race.

That's my pipe dream of sorts.

Alternatively, after the events of Mists, I wouldn't put it past the Horde/Thrall to take a more democratic (and as a result, more pacifistic) approach to Horde leadership. Thrall would deign (especially after usurping Garrosh's tyranny) that so much power should no longer rest in the hands of one man, and that in his place will now sit a council of some sort.
Interestingly enough, that's where I personally think some of the best Warcraft stories come from...the political struggles. The Shadow Council's dealings behind Ner'zhul's back, subverting his rule, twisting his mind. The Stormwind Nobles who denied the stonemasons and artisans payment for rebuilding Stormwind inadvertently caused the Defias Brotherhood to violently spring forth in defiance.

Imagine what would happen if, say, Sylvanas -- as a member of this council, along with the other racial leaders -- wanted to wipe out another town/civilization because she feels threatened by it (hah), yet the rest of the council denied her permission. To what lengths would she go to get her way? What sorts of bribery, blackmail, or even violence, would she resort to? What would Vol'jin, a seemingly-righteous shadow hunter, do in turn if he suspected something was amiss?

My 2 cents. *shrug*

[shootyadead]

Aside from the daddy issues, this sounds just like Garrosh. It's the same exact path he took, over 3 expansions. Garrosh is not afraid to stand up and kick ass when ass needs kicking (especially off a cliff), he wasn't out of left field, as we also watched him grow over time, and...since it had to be an orc that replaced Thrall, that's who we got. I'm not keen on a repeat.

Rexxar (+ Misha; can't ever forget Misha), however, as a "Warchief" sounds much more interesting. He helped found Orgrimmar, and he's also the Champion of the Horde. Public outcry (in-game) for the Horde's Champion to return as their Warchief could be a very interesting thing to see, especially since Rexxar would be so reluctant. Granted, he's a bit of a recluse, but he also understands that 'heavy is the head that wears the crown.' He seems like he'd exude and promote a more even-handed and balanced type of leadership.
Additionally, as someone else mentioned in this thread, it could pave the way for the Mok'Nathal becoming a playable race.

That's my pipe dream of sorts.

Alternatively, after the events of Mists, I wouldn't put it past the Horde/Thrall to take a more democratic (and as a result, more pacifistic) approach to Horde leadership. Thrall would deign (especially after usurping Garrosh's tyranny) that so much power should no longer rest in the hands of one man, and that in his place will now sit a council of some sort.
Interestingly enough, that's where I personally think some of the best Warcraft stories come from...the political struggles. The Shadow Council's dealings behind Ner'zhul's back, subverting his rule, twisting his mind. The Stormwind Nobles who denied the stonemasons and artisans payment for rebuilding Stormwind inadvertently caused the Defias Brotherhood to violently spring forth in defiance.

Imagine what would happen if, say, Sylvanas -- as a member of this council, along with the other racial leaders -- wanted to wipe out another town/civilization because she feels threatened by it (hah), yet the rest of the council denied her permission. To what lengths would she go to get her way? What sorts of bribery, blackmail, or even violence, would she resort to? What would Vol'jin, a seemingly-righteous shadow hunter, do in turn if he suspected something was amiss?

My 2 cents. *shrug*

That would lead to some very interesting scenarios down the line. At what point does one of the council outweigh the others in any decision? Is it based off how close the threat is to them? Is it based off of how much recent lore has shone on them? It'd get hairy really fast and could lead to lots of great storylines.

Taking the blue statement into consideration this actually makes a lot of sense. Thrall takes back the position of warchief only to dissolve the throne into a council including each of the tribal leaders and maybe a few other important characters (ie. Varok, Rexxar, etc.).

[Davendwarf]

I feel so dumb. All this time, I've been confusing Nazgrim with Nazgrel.

[lordjust]

Doubt they would announce the end of a xpac so people don't have wild ideas about it then go around and completely cancel the idea.

Maybe they didn't cancel the end tier raid but alter its outcome. In the presstour they said we will end Garrosh's reign as warchief but what if he gets purged and stays warchief? I mean Blizzard build him up over 3 expansions and he isn't that bad as people say and I could imagine that the siege of orgrimmar could be Garrosh's salvation like the killing blow of Mannoroth by Grom.

[Haidaes]

Well, I'm still not sold on Garrosh even dying tbh. Hell, even the notion of marching an army against Orgrimmar lead by alliance forces seems really hard to incorporate into the story. What will happen after the alliance wins their version of the raid instance? Everyone knows that you occupy a city after besieging it, but we are not talking about Thunderbluff here or Silvermoon, which wouldn't matter at all. This is Origrimmar and the least to be expected is that the other side instates at least a temporary leader of their own, to make sure the area stays under the winning parties control. I really wonder how they will pull it off, will they just leave after they killed some major Sha (which I guess is the source of the corruption) and suddenly everyone retreats because they are pacified?
There is no way in hell they could justify this in any way, even if Anduin turns into white Jesus and wipes the evil thoughts of his fathers mind, no way he would just leave and let the slaughtering go on. The only thing I could see would be to relocate the whole Orc population to another new city, so we would just loose the the city and the alliance could claim it for their own as compensation for Theramore and all the other little things they whine about, how would questing work in such a world work though?
The only other way would be some neutral war effort once again, and yet how would they pull that one off? Depending on which side would win Thrall surely seems to be only one that has the most influence bweteen the faction, as he was neutral throughout cataclysm, though I'm not sure if he can be considered equal to varian at the moment. Even with all the Logosh stuff, the only alliance guy that seems equal to Thrall at the moment would be Malfurion Stormrage and we are looking for an equal of Varian here. So I'm really at a loss here. None of the characters or options so far seem be any good tbh and a council solution seems to be only one that might work, because I doubt the other Horde races will put up with another orc dictator unless they 100% agree with him (which only works for Thrall and maybe Saurfang). Maybe this will be the time that the orcs will finally loose their grip on the horde and we see a new concept which does not boil down to orcs vs. humans.

Maybe we will see some twist while leveling in MoP, that presents us with more choices, but so far I haven't seen any. Personally I fear a major plothole or more to the point shitty story arc coming that is in no way believable.

[Shredy]

"I know what was said during the press tour, but don't be so sure yet that you know who the next warchief will be. The information provided during the press tour was... not entirely accurate."

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...5205?page=4#64

There is still hope that Sylvanas will take her rightful place as leader of the Horde!

I would approve of this.

[Roulette Kneebasha]

Vol'Jin has my vote! Hands down.

[Umbra]

I'd say Saurfang takes over after Garrosh. He seems to be what the Horde needs. Military, yes, but strategical. He doesn't rush head-first into battle like Garrosh. He's a leader, not a soldier.

[alaynauk]

I think Saurfang for Warchief but I have a feeling when Garrosh is defeated and that in the next expansion it be an empty seat and the Horde will go into civil war and fight over the empty seat.

[DemoBytom]

Lor'themar the-whatever his name was for Warchief! Time for some Blood Elf lore!

[mofi]

Rexxar, you know you want it too

[Guldur]

Garrosh will die, he won't be Sha possessed or anything like that, he will not make us drink demon blood and join with the Legion either, he will just make "stupid and incompetent" decisions. Thats why we will have to get rid of him. Eitrigg for Warchief! Vol'jin is a troll, the war chief has to be an orc.

[redwitchy]

Campfire gets my vote!

[Kralljin]

You know what? THIS is an idea I could actually get behind. He's a strong leader, he's not afraid to stand up and kick some ass when ass needs kicking, but he actually has some intelligence and understanding of tactics and strategy. And he wouldn't be totally out of left field - we've watched him grow in maturity and rank over time. If the new Warchief HAS to be an orc, I could definitely give Nazgrim my stamp of approval.

And he is the the creator of "Thrall's balls!".

Nazgrim is THE choice!

[Tauror]

...which happened in a book written over a decade AFTER Thrall's introduction in Warcraft III.

Not actually true. The Warcraft Adventures game would be "The Lord of the Clans". The book was the novelization of that cancelled game.

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Saurfang - He is old, a very old warrior now greaving for his son. He is also a fan character, one made popular with the joke reference to his cleave, which doesn't give much. His only real development came in wrath with his son, and after that, eh drifted away from the horde.

Again with the "very old". Seriously, stop stating your opinion as fact.

Since he was introduced, his background was fully developed to the point that he became the Warlord with which we play on Warcraft II.